How much is Luke Young worth then ?

Gloomy Gull · Post by **Gloomy Gull** » 31 Dec 2014, 14:05

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30632655

Post by **Dave** » 31 Dec 2014, 14:26

How does a football club value a player ? I guess it depends whether our club wants to sell Luke Young, whether our club are desperate to sell Luke Young, and then factor whether our club has finely tuned negotiating skills. If our receives and genuine inquiry for LY during the transfer window, then as long as there hard nosed enough to put a hefty price tag on him, LY could net a tidy some.

stefano · Post by **stefano** » 31 Dec 2014, 14:31

Player who is good in the Conference but when in League 2 his manager at the time said he had 'deficiencies' in his game, and recently our former manager Mr Buckle said the same about him. So £75,000 to £125,000. Unless of course we can attract some interest from Swindon Town, who amazingly parted with £250,000 for Elliot Benyon. No, you are right, once bitten twice shy. No chance there then!

withawhy · Post by **withawhy** » 31 Dec 2014, 14:45

It should not really matter how much he is worth as he is under contract to us and should not be sold (that is, if we are aiming for a return to the league).
If he is indeed sold, then you would hope that our so-called professional leadership would obtain the "correct" fee and that all the money received would be given to the Manager to strengthen the team (but I am not too hopeful on this).
If we are faced with another situation where our best players are sold and the playing budget is not increased accordingly, then I suspect that quite a few of us will question what the agenda, aims and ambitions of the current Board are and why we should continue to pay above average prices for what will surely become an even worse prospect for any hope of a return to league football.

Sunnysideup · Post by **Sunnysideup** » 31 Dec 2014, 17:13

stefano wrote:Unless of course we can attract some interest from Swindon Town, who amazingly parted with £250,000 for Elliot Benyon. No, you are right, once bitten twice shy. No chance there then!

You sure about that? I seem to remember it being half that.

Having said that, I would be suprised if anyone could make the case Luke is a better buy than Eunan was, so dont expect too much.

Post by **Gulliball** » 31 Dec 2014, 17:19

Benyon was £125k. He's currently worth much closer to £1.25.

Take Luke Young out of our team and we can forget about the play-offs. If he attracts interest and wants to move on, then sell him in the summer. I would value him somewhere between £100k - £150k, given his age and ability. That would give Hargreaves time to replace him and incorporate the loss into the building of the new squad once Tonge, Benyon, Harding, Pearce, Chapell etc go in the summer.

Sunnysideup · Post by **Sunnysideup** » 31 Dec 2014, 18:43

Gulliball wrote:Take Luke Young out of our team and we can forget about the play-offs. If he attracts interest and wants to move on, then sell him in the summer. I would value him somewhere between £100k - £150k, given his age and ability. That would give Hargreaves time to replace him and incorporate the loss into the building of the new squad once Tonge, Benyon, Harding, Pearce, Chapell etc go in the summer.

I dunno. How many league teams have paid that much for a conference player recently?
The only one that springs to mind is Gregory after notching 30 goals in a season. Before that, is was Vardy I think, another that tucked away over 30 goals.
The common link is the ability to score a shedload of goals which will always attract interest.
If Bowman was able to do that we could expect a reasonable payment for him, but im not convinced that Young would attract the same interest.

Burnhamgull · Post by **Burnhamgull** » 31 Dec 2014, 21:01

Gateshead sold Maddison for £250k plus future add-ons.........

We'll probably sell Young for £40k plus a bag of footballs.....

Sunnysideup · Post by **Sunnysideup** » 31 Dec 2014, 23:02

Burnhamgull wrote:Gateshead sold Maddison for £250k plus future add-ons.........

We'll probably sell Young for £40k plus a bag of footballs.....

But again, its a striker that scores goals. Theres always teams ready to take a punt on someone that can find the net (hence Swindon buying Benyon). Sometimes they work out, sometimes they dont.

Post by **Dave** » 31 Dec 2014, 23:11

Maddison is actually a midfielder that scores goals, bit like Luke Young...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Maddison

Sunnysideup · Post by **Sunnysideup** » 31 Dec 2014, 23:27

Soccerbase says forward. Either way, he's averaged a goal every other game for Peterboro in League 1. If Young could score at that rate in L1 then he too would be worth that sort of money.

Post by **Dave** » 31 Dec 2014, 23:32

Maddison is defiantly a midfielder, he played on the right hand side of midfield versus Doncaster, Peterborough had Luke James and Aaron Mclean up front. However I do agree with you if Luke Young was cutting the mustard in League 1 or 2 his value would of course be higher.

But the point is, Maddison was playing and scoring from midfield in the conference for Gateshead when Peterborough signed him, for a believed as said above £250k plus add ons, the same as Luke Young has done for TUFC, why do we want to sell ourselves short all the time.

ethantufcbaker · Post by **ethantufcbaker** » 31 Dec 2014, 23:42

For Luke's career I think he should complete at least one season. He could certainly cut it at league 2 but I think he needs this season full of games for his development.
One the other hand he could be happy here and as he's captain and said he came here because he didn't want to move, he might stay even longer and get us promoted

Sunnysideup · Post by **Sunnysideup** » 01 Jan 2015, 00:00

forevertufc wrote:Maddison is defiantly a midfielder, he played on the right hand side of midfield versus Doncaster, Peterborough had Luke James and Aaron Mclean up front. However I do agree with you if Luke Young was cutting the mustard in League 1 or 2 his value would of course be higher.

But the point is, Maddison was playing and scoring from midfield in the conference for Gateshead when Peterborough signed him, for a believed as said above £250k plus add ons, the same as Luke Young has done for TUFC, why do we want to sell ourselves short all the time.

Because Maddison is more prolific at finding the net obviously. Young scored something like 8 goals in 100 appearances for Plymouth. Add to that the 6 from 25 or so games for us.
Maddison scored pretty much that in his last 30 appearances for Gateshead. But then, scouts will look at his all round game as well, and see if he looks like he can make the step up. Clearly he can, judging by his start at Peterboro. Im pretty sure the same can't be said of Young.

Post by **Dave** » 01 Jan 2015, 00:05

stefano wrote:Player who is good in the Conference but when in League 2 his manager at the time said he had 'deficiencies' in his game, and recently our former manager Mr Buckle said the same about him. So £75,000 to £125,000. Unless of course we can attract some interest from Swindon Town, who amazingly parted with £250,000 for Elliot Benyon. No, you are right, once bitten twice shy. No chance there then!

That's the think though Stef. Young players around the lower league do have 'deficiencies' Matt Grimes will have some in his game as well, any bigger club buying a young player from League 2 or the conference is buying into the players potential not a player who's the finished article.

When managers/coach's talk about young players with 'deficiencies' it does get my goat a little bit, I tag personally as 'lazy coaching' why spent time working on improving a young player with stacks of potential when you can just cast him aside and put an extra £50k into a three year contract for a player who you think is going to be a better option.

The suggestion LY's value is around £125k from your good self and Gulliball, is, yes, a safe and sensible valuation, which would not be untypical of Torquay United a safe, nice and sensible football club, that's part of the attraction for some, I think it's part of the problem, us fans have moaned in the past why do some clubs achieve so much more in terms of transfer fee's that us, simple, they're run by very hard nosed and arrogant business men, a reason why their clubs are secure League 1/2 clubs and we're, well, not.

If Matt Grimes is really going for £1.75 million, lets compare him to Luke Young, yes Matt Grimes has consistently produced the goods against full time opposition in League 2, but that's only 1 step higher than us, Luke Young has consistently produced the goods for us scoring regularly from midfield.

So if Luke Young's valuation really is £125k, how can any one looking at what fee Matt Grimes is going for, justify Matt Grimes' value as a player to be 14 x's that of Luke Young, there's nothing credible I can think of the prove that to be the case. If Grimes is worth £1.75m our club can in my opinion justifiably slap a £400k price tag on LY.

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