I wouldn't bother trying to explain Rooster but i will try. Brucie to be fair has a valid point about why does one put themselves in a stressful job if they are prone to mental health issues but often they don't know the extent of the issues they are experiencing. Ling may have at first suffered mild episodes that he developed coping mechanisms for and not thought a great deal about it. Further issues may have developed until a tipping point came that he just had too much brain fog and stuff going around his head and just couldn't continue. We don't know when the problems started. I'm sure he didn't one day suddenly say "I've got depression so i mustn't get a job that tests me or makes me stressed" otherwise he'd have got a job as a traffic cop. This thing must have gradually built up over time and the stress exacerbated it.
He may have been in denial and told himself things would be ok and this made it worse as rebound thoughts come back stronger and stronger until you have to acknowledge them and put them to one side otherwise you can end up having a breakdown. It is not as black and white as what Brucie is saying and if Martin wishes to get back into a similar role with all the stress and trauma that can bring and he is brave enough to put himself forward for managerial jobs in the future then he is a stronger man than i. That takes determination and bravery. If you had to fight an unknown enemy you couldn't see or hear in the dark in thick fog then would you be brave enough to take that enemy on? If the answer is no then think yourself lucky that your brain, not you, your brain is working as it should. All we are is our brains. I am not Andy, sorry......Anthea. I am just a brain, everything else is just external tissue and features. Who i truly am is inside my brain. Luckily we can all get our heads around it.
Strangely enough it was Pope Gregory the 9th inviting me for drinks aboard his steam yacht, the saucy sue currently wintering in montego bay with the England cricket team and the Balanese Goddess of plenty.
Depression or no depression, he did take us to the play-offs in his first season. Given the depression he suffered in his second season, for the club to ostensibly sack him for 'footballing reasons' was quite frankly ridiculous, and to sack him at all was unfair. However, water under the bridge, and here's hoping Martin gets back into football management again before too long.
I myself have suffered from depression. There is quite often a stigma about it, but as Andy said, it isn't really anything more than chemical imbalance. I actually didn't recognise it in myself for a couple of years, but occasionally, for up to a few hours at a time, I would feel incredibly low, sometimes to the point of being unable to speak to people. There was nothing in particular that would set it off, it was just something that I'd have to ride out each time. My job at the time wasn't high pressure, but depression made it very hard to keep working. Work were getting on my back for working slower, and I didn't feel able to explain my reasons, as I didn't consider myself depressed.
The hard thing with getting help, was that as soon as my low ended, I would feel absolutely fine almost instantly, and therefore think that I didn't have a problem and put off seeking help. After a couple of years, when I finally saw a doctor, I wasn't on a low, and almost felt like I was faking. Imagine going to your doctor and describing being ill, whilst not actually being ill at the time! I was put on pills, despite criticism from mates, who said things like "man up" and that the drugs were bad for you, and that "everybody has bad moods". They actually worked for me really well, I didn't notice any effect, other than that I wasn't getting in explainable lows anymore. After a few months, I came off the citalopram, and have not had any problems at all since. The worst thing about depression, and anxiety (which often accompanies it), is that you don't want to bother anyone with it, and there can be a vicious cycle of not helping yourself, whilst cutting yourself off from people, and stopping enjoying things you previously enjoyed. I can imagine having such a high pressure job as football manager, whilst suffering from depression would be unbearable. The very fact that Martin is so publicly talking about his condition suggests to me that he is well on the way to recovery.
Just seen this on the BBC website and reading through it made me a bit upset. There are certain things on there that i can fully relate to and I'm just absolutely filled with remorse about some of the things i said about Martin whilst he was our manager BEFORE he went off ill i must add. I have nothing but admiration for him as a person and he may not realise this but he is stronger than a lot of people out there and should be proud of that fact. Part of the problem is that people think they have to keep illness like this a secret but that compounds the issue as it then becomes a secretive battle and you can't be yourself. Just admit it, accept that it is part of your biological make up and try and get on with things and if others snigger or judge then **** 'em. There ain't much you can do about what other people think and to be honest it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things so I'm really delighted to see Martin getting on with his life and looking for work.
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Strangely enough it was Pope Gregory the 9th inviting me for drinks aboard his steam yacht, the saucy sue currently wintering in montego bay with the England cricket team and the Balanese Goddess of plenty.
Gullscorer wrote:Depression or no depression, he did take us to the play-offs in his first season. Given the depression he suffered in his second season, for the club to ostensibly sack him for 'footballing reasons' was quite frankly ridiculous, and to sack him at all was unfair. However, water under the bridge, and here's hoping Martin gets back into football management again before too long.
This is so true and upsetting that he has.Bern swept under the carpet like so many other misdemeanors at Tufc, most unfair,.damaging and hurtful.
