Good Friday 3pm kick off; a religious issue

[Dave]

Some handy hints in this video, you could say the lord maketh me turn the wrong way and drive to Plainmoor.

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[Alpine Joe]

Of course the Scousers did think up a solution to this dilemma.

[ferrarilover]

Actually, he says his Mum "insists on going to church for 3pm"..

But if the word 'insist' means 'to make a determined demand for (something)', then it's fair to assume, in the context of the situation described by the original poster, that she probably insists on being taken to church.

However, the original poster does not make it clear (though he implies) that she specified a particular mode of transport, merely that she 'insists on a lift', though not necessarily that she must be accompanied by him on her journey, which seems to be an assumption on his part.

It does appear, therefore, that there is room for compromise, and that in all fairness and justice the provision of a taxi service by the original poster for his mother would satisfy the interests of both parties..

Nope, not having this. Insisting upon a lift automatically and always means that the OP would have to drive her. That's why he used the word 'lift', not the phrase 'cab ride'. What the OP has done is written in plain and ordinary language, making it incumbent upon the reader to interpret the meaning in the same way.
Mother definitely expects son to drive her to Church, she is insistent upon this, meaning that an equally blunt and forceful retaliation from son is entirely justified.

As for our religious extremist: if I were found one day, in a bus shelter, mumbling in a language no one speaks anymore, to a group of fairies that no one can see and for which their is absolutely no evidence of existence, would you consider that bizzare?

Matt.

[Scott Brehaut]

About as bizarre as hearing people say that a load of "nothing" exploded and we then arrived I guess.

One wonders how the "nothing" got here in the first place.

Oh, and why there are still apes/monkeys/gorillas if we evolved from them.

Would rather keep an open mind about things myself, rather than simply dismiss it all.

[Plymouth Gull]

Chippy, I've got to agree with others here. Or, you go to the church aswell, go to the toilet (actually go to Plainmoor, watch the game and then go back to church). Sorted.

[cambgull]

I'm relatively open to being proven wrong about religion, but I find organised religions are generally run by con artists and believed by idiots.

Christianity, as an example is a mix of various religions/beliefs put together to rival other beliefs, predominantly Pagan.

Supposedly, there was a zombie who spent most of his life convincing people he has a dad who lives in the sky. We now have free will after a man and a rib-woman were made and the woman was coerced into eating from a magic tree by a talking snake.

Totally believable right?

However, if people want to believe that, fine, but I dont let it get in the way of what I want to do.

[ferrarilover]

About as bizarre as hearing people say that a load of "nothing" exploded and we then arrived I guess.

One wonders how the "nothing" got here in the first place.

Oh, and why there are still apes/monkeys/gorillas if we evolved from them.

Would rather keep an open mind about things myself, rather than simply dismiss it all.

Matt.

[AustrianAndyGull]

Having a religion is all about having a belief and it's that belief and faith that helps people get through difficult situations and become a better person generally. They don't necessarily HAVE to know for certain that the thing that that believe in actually exists but if they BELIEVE then it does to them. I don't nor feel compelled to believe in anything 'spiritual' or ethereal in order for me to function but if other people do and it doesn't harm anyone else nor is rammed down their throats then fine. The only faith i like is FAITH NO MORE. Quality band in the 90's!!

Oh and by the way, we DID evolve from apes as i am living proof!

[happytorq]

there's a difference between religion and faith- if you believe that the world etc was created by some being then that's great, I'm happy for you - traditionally it's all gone tits-up when men have got involved and tried to establish a 'religion' to order those beliefs.

Not religious/of faith myself, but Dave does bring up a good point with the "there was nothing, which exploded" point - physics tells you that matter cannot be created or destroyed (the Law of conservation of mass) so as somebody with a bit of a scientific background, it's a real headscratcher.

I just prefer to wait until I snuff it to find out. If - as a I suspect - we're all just a collection of atoms who are born, live, then die, I'm never going to know the difference. I have it all wrong, I'm going to meet a St. Peter who has a stern expression and one-way ticket downstairs.

[Gullscorer]

Nope, not having this. Insisting upon a lift automatically and always means that the OP would have to drive her. That's why he used the word 'lift', not the phrase 'cab ride'. What the OP has done is written in plain and ordinary language, making it incumbent upon the reader to interpret the meaning in the same way.
Mother definitely expects son to drive her to Church, she is insistent upon this, meaning that an equally blunt and forceful retaliation from son is entirely justified.

As for our religious extremist: if I were found one day, in a bus shelter, mumbling in a language no one speaks anymore, to a group of fairies that no one can see and for which their is absolutely no evidence of existence, would you consider that bizzare?

Matt.

Hmm..! Not sure Appeals Court judges would take that view..!

[yellow]

I remember years ago there was an outcry that Man Utd were playing at 3pm on Good Friday; the hour of the death of Christ on the cross; now it seems to matter even less; eg. all of the games including ours v. Accrington kicking off at that time...

Unfortunately, although not a great religious person, my dear old Mum is.. and insists on going to church for 3pm.. and as I'm there from Oxfordshire on Friday, insists on a lift.... so I'm stymied for the Accrington game.. gonna be funny driving 178 miles and not going to Plainmoor for a game, although I'll be there in the morning for Oxford tickets!!

So, mini-eggs all round at the Kassam..

A boy’s best friend is his mum, unless they start getting unreasonable.

She insists on a lift going to church for 3pm. So what is the problem?

That is entirely reasonable. Drop her off at 2pm (well in time for 3pm), get your arse down to Plainmoor and enjoy the game.

There is no mention that she wants a lift home. Now that is equally thoughtful and reasonable of her.

It is all a lot of fuss about nothing.

Read the words.

Simples...

[bixieupnorth]

chippy gull, two words, jesus was a carpenter, was he now, carpenters are referred to as chippy's, maybe this poster is ACTUALLY jesus, he has decided to come amongst us with his newest saint martin!!

[diamondgirl]

Hmm..! Not sure Appeals Court judges would take that view..!

The wink suggests you know something I don't. The specific use of APPEAL Court Judges reinforces that, but the fact that you have both time and inclination to post on here suggests otherwise, so, in a move I was hoping to avoid, for fear of making the thread into a very dull argument, I'm going to wheel out this:
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The literal rule of statutory interpretation is the rule of first instance, it is primary in the mind of a Judge when interpreting both Statute and judgements in case law.
Here, the phrase "lift", would be held to have its plain and ordinary meaning of a ride given by one to another, not of your skewed "get her to the Church, doesn't matter how" definition.
There would also be a reasonableness argument here. What if he offered her a lift under your rules, which turned out to be a Zorb ball and a firm shove down Telegraph hill? This, clearly, is unreasonable and would lead, even if your definition were to pass mustard, to a breach if the second rule of statutory interpretation, the Golden rule, which allows that no meaning may be attributed to a word which would lead to an absurdity, which it is clear to see that my assertion of the Zorb ball is.

Matt.

[yellow]

There must be a God or else why did this thread suddenly disappear to the Popside?

If only God can do the same for chippygull himself at 3pm.

It is a sign.

Unless someone is playing God....

[Gullscorer]

Matt, yours is the kind of intelligent and helpful post I always dream of reading and often try to encourage, if not provoke, one which adds to our store of knowledge and understanding (certainly to my own store). Not that I would automatically and necessarily agree with the contents. Assuming, of course, that I could understand them..!

Coming from a literary not a legal background, I love it when my own particular world connects with those of people in other walks of life, something which happens less and less these days to a recluse who's now beginning to feel his age.

The wink was a mischievous attempt to steer the reader towards a consideration of whether my somewhat ambiguous and (I thought) amusing response referred to the first or second paragraph of the earlier post, thereby inadvertently demonstrating the imprecisions of non-verbal communication as compared with my own often inadequate use of language.

However, disregarding the possibility that a 'plain and ordinary meaning' can itself be a matter of contention, and even though I can go along with your definition of the word 'lift' as used by the dear old Mum, and that she did indeed insist upon a lift, it nevertheless remains unclear to me that she also insisted specifically that her son should drive the vehicle. To suggest that she did would be a reasonable assumption, but quite possibly an erroneous one. If this is the case, I should quite happily sacrifice my day at Plainmoor by giving his Mum a lift in my own car to enable a fellow supporter to enjoy the game. Or I would if I could get the damn thing to run properly..

But there is one other possibility: that the son is using his Mum as an excuse to avoid going to the match, even perhaps being secretly desirous of going to church with her rather than supporting the Gulls. Oh, perish the thought..!