Retrospective Action for Players Guilty of Violent Conduct

portugull · Post by **portugull** » 27 Mar 2016, 09:48

Having read the match reports from Dover on this forum, particularly the report from Samuel, I feel The Board of Torquay United MUST refer the dangerous tackle by Payne of Dover Athletic which caused Durrell Berry to sustain a double fracture of his leg.

The FA Rules for retrospective action were tightened in 2013 which means that the FA can take retrospective action for violent conduct and serious foul play regardless of whether they were seen by the match officials.

There have been a number of cases where the referee did not issue a red card because his view of the foul was compromised.

No doubt The Board will make a decision when they have viewed the video evidence but I hope that this matter will be referred to the FA. Payne has a poor disciplinary record having been sent off twice already this season.

Post by **Dave** » 27 Mar 2016, 09:59

I'm not sure how much the club can do here, and I think retrospective action can only be taken if the referee didn't see an incident. In this case the referee has clearly seen the incident, so I think it will come down what's in the referees report, if he didn't have a full and clear view but suspects foul play the referee could ask the F.A to take a closer look, however the SKY TV camera's were not there, so how much video evidence will there be, certainly not one from every angle.

Right now just to add, I would rather our club be fully focussed on the next few games than this, as sad as it is for Berry, the club has to stay up, the club can't afford any distractions to get in the way, the best tonic for Berry avoid relegation.

portugull · Post by **portugull** » 27 Mar 2016, 10:10

I fully understand your views forevertufc but I think I am right that all National League matches are filmed.

If there is clear evidence of foul play it may be referred to the F A anyway.

Like many fans I feel really upset by this and incensed that the Dover player showed no compassion for a fellow pro.

Post by **Dave** » 27 Mar 2016, 11:18

Yes national league games are filmed, but that can be just basic video so not sure whether there would be a clear enough view of it, I have no knowledge at all on the match yesterday, if Payne is quilty of a horror tackle then think we will all agree he should receive the correct punishment , he was a nasty little runt in the match at Plainmoor, the problem here could be, reading through reports of our fans who were at the game and had a clear view, some are suggesting that Payne got the ball first, but it was an uncontrolled challenge, which however in it self that surely is a red card regardless of whether he got the ball first or not.

I do agree with your sentiment.

brucie · Post by **brucie** » 27 Mar 2016, 12:05

Yes we have to move on. Its sickening really though. The main thing of course is Berrys well being. He has been excellent for us of late. Having said that it has been made worse by the referee clearly failing to apply the correct course of action, which it has to be said has cost us the game.

Lets face it had their player been dismissed the result could well have been different. I have been to every home game of late but am so pissed off by the injury and the fact that Dover and their player got away scot free and indeed benefited that I am not going tomorrow.

I'm actually hoping that one of our players dives and gets the winning penalty or something tomorrow.

Added in 5 minutes 2 seconds:
I truly hate Dover and their prick of a manager Kinnear. Can't stand his gamesmanship and constant berating of officials to gain an advantage. And guess what his reaction was the last time Payne got sent off this season (for aiming a kick at an opponent).

Kinnear stated he was "shocked" when they appealed and it got turned down "because Payne had done nothing wrong" - Absolute pair of ****.

portugull · Post by **portugull** » 27 Mar 2016, 13:21

The most recent case of a retrospective 3 match ban was Connor Wickham of Crystal Palace who elbowed a Spurs player.

Wickham was also fined by Palace.

Earlier in the season Diego Costa of Chelsea, also received a 3 match ban for violent conduct.

Does retrospective action only apply to the Premier League?

Post by **Southampton Gull** » 27 Mar 2016, 18:36

I'd imagine it applies where evidence is available and if the ref didn't "deal" with the offence on the day. Premiership matches have endless camera angles etc, I doubt there was more than one camera on Saturday.

lucy6lucy · Post by **lucy6lucy** » 27 Mar 2016, 18:42

Southampton Gull wrote:I'd imagine it applies where evidence is available and if the ref didn't "deal" with the offence on the day. Premiership matches have endless camera angles etc, I doubt there was more than one camera on Saturday.

I'm pretty sure if there was any footage of the incident it will be somewhere near the waters off the white cliffs

Dazza · Post by **Dazza** » 27 Mar 2016, 18:51

Dover have as usual when you are in the top five got away with this. When did we last have a penalty by the way.? They have rolled us all season long. They turned the heads of Ajala and Marsh ( and set back both their careers ) They are the 2016 version of Crawley. Arrogant and ruthless. The National league will do nothing. They can't even get the fixtures aligned on a Good Friday in a sensible way.

portugull · Post by **portugull** » 27 Mar 2016, 18:55

I have finally found the F. A. Player Essentials for Season 2015/16 which are applicable from Premier League to National League inclusive.

RETROSPECTIVE ACTION

The F A may take action even where an incident has been witnessed or acted upon by Match Officials.In very serious or unusual cases in such circumstances lengthy bans may result"

Surely this ranks as a "very serious" case. The video will prove it. BT Sport may have the video.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » 27 Mar 2016, 19:30

I was under the impression (and I concede that this may be out of date) that retrospective action cannot be taken if action was taken by the referee during the game. As Payne was booked, that means that no further action can be taken.

As fuming as I was yesterday, there is nothing that can be done now and its important not to dwell on it and let it affect our run-in. The best thing we can do (and I'm sure the team are thinking similar) is make sure that Berry has a Conference club to rehabilitate at next season.

In terms of survival, lets "Do it for Durrell"

Post by **Gulliball** » 27 Mar 2016, 19:58

Ben Thatcher was given a yellow for elbowing Pedro Mendes in the throat and nearly killing him, which got upgraded to a 10 game ban by the FA.

Withouth 10 slow motion replays and national outrage on MOTD and in the newspapers though, there is pretty much no chance.

Just a horrible situation for the player. He'll be out of contract soon and surely now without a source of income for the next however many months.

portugull · Post by **portugull** » 27 Mar 2016, 22:24

Jeff your impression is out of date.

The Rule I stated word for word is for season 2015/16.

I will be very disappointed if the Board do not refer this to the F. A. first thing on Tuesday morning.

The referee made a serious error of judgement.

Post by **Southampton Gull** » 27 Mar 2016, 23:09

The tackle was reckless and as such he may well end up facing a lawsuit for the losses the unfortunate Berry will no doubt incur.

BobBobBob · Post by **BobBobBob** » 27 Mar 2016, 23:38

That is an absolutely hideous challenge. Payne has two feet off the ground and launches Berry into the air. What really takes the biscuit is how Payne has the audacity to react to the award of a free-kick against him as though he's made a brilliant ball winning tackle! Either Dover Athletic players are encouraged to behave like depraved lunatics or this Payne should find a new career before he injures someone else. This event has really sucked all my energy of the relegation battle. At the moment, all I can think about is Durrell Berry and wish him the best. Sickening tackle.

When I first saw this thread, I thought it might be a bit over the top, but having seen the tackle I'm with you, portugull. The club must pursue further action. I hope a lawsuit is forthcoming as well.

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