Planning Permission

AustrianAndyGull · Post by **AustrianAndyGull** » 27 Dec 2013, 20:39

If you buy a plot of land then why do you need planning permission to site a permanent home on it whether it be a caravan or small house? You own the land so why is this necessary? I've also heard that if you buy a piece of land and then apply to the council to site a caravan on it in which to live then they invariably refuse. I need some cash to bribe or I need some advice please.

Gullscorer · Post by **Gullscorer** » 27 Dec 2013, 21:58

Andy try looking at your local authority website for information. Here's a link to the Torbay one: http://www.torbay.gov.uk/index/yourbusi ... management

Here's another one where you might find useful information and links: http://www.n-somerset.gov.uk/Environmen ... -home.aspx

You could also try to find a Planning Consultant or Agent for advice, guidance, and info.
http://www.rtpiconsultants.co.uk/

AustrianAndyGull · Post by **AustrianAndyGull** » 27 Dec 2013, 22:21

Thanks Mick, much appreciated that effort.

Post by **Trojan 67** » 28 Dec 2013, 13:08

Land always was and always will be a sound investment. Why ?

Because there aint any more being made.

Post by **Trojan 67** » 28 Dec 2013, 13:24

Successful land owners are ?

Outstanding in their field

Successful land owners don't ?

Lose the plot.

ferrarilover · Post by **ferrarilover** » 28 Dec 2013, 15:19

Non-technical answer is that it's to prevent people making inappropriate use of land.

Technical answer is that you don't actually own the land, you lease it from HMQEII and Her trusted guardians ensure that you don't do anything to it of which she would not approve.

You'd be amazed what you can't do with things you own. You can't, for example, consent to trespass to your person which would constitute a criminal offence of the relevant kind at ABH level or above.

Matt.

coley in stripes · Post by **coley in stripes** » 28 Dec 2013, 15:36

Andy, depending on the situation, don't totally think that it is not possible. Yes, you will need Planning Permission and a lot depends on the individual circumstances...A lot have been allowed on appeal.

Since I retired from my last job, I have been 8 years with a Local Authority as the Planning Enforcement Officer....If you private the individual circumstances, I can advise re enforcement procedure of a breach !

EmetEdadsBeard · Post by **EmetEdadsBeard** » 28 Dec 2013, 18:20

AustrianAndyGull wrote:If you buy a plot of land then why do you need planning permission to site a permanent home on it whether it be a caravan or small house? You own the land so why is this necessary? I've also heard that if you buy a piece of land and then apply to the council to site a caravan on it in which to live then they invariably refuse. I need some cash to bribe or I need some advice please.

It's to stop people building monstrosities that look absolutely sh1te that pee the neighbours off. Two examples, one which was VERY close to me.

Andy, can you remember the unfinished house near Belle Vue in Doncaster in the 70s and 80s? A pikey bought that ordinary house, the one closest to what used to be the car park there and built the biggest, ugliest two storey extension from breezeblocks you ever saw without permission. Must have cost a fortune but before it was finished the council ordered it down, proper eyesore. He fought for years and the extension fell into disepair? before he finally lost but it was still many more years before it was knocked down.

Now the close one. My next door neighbour knocked down a small old brick garage and proceded to build a new garage/gym/storage area(he's a plumber) in his garden. Except he was going to build it 12 (yes twelve) feet high next to our border fence, not where the original one was, without planning permission. Its on the South side of our garden and would have cut all what little sunlight we get in Autumn/Winter. I just told him it wasn't going to happen and he knew, without planning permission he was onto a loser so he built it but its only 7 feet high and 'L' shaped which is ok.

and that's why planning permission is a necessity. :rules:

AustrianAndyGull · Post by **AustrianAndyGull** » 29 Dec 2013, 17:08

coley in stripes wrote:Andy, depending on the situation, don't totally think that it is not possible. Yes, you will need Planning Permission and a lot depends on the individual circumstances...A lot have been allowed on appeal.

Since I retired from my last job, I have been 8 years with a Local Authority as the Planning Enforcement Officer....If you private the individual circumstances, I can advise re enforcement procedure of a breach !

Cheers Coley, i'll bear that in mind. I've heard that if you stick some livestock on there then you have a reason to be there and so it's easier to get planning permission for at least a static as you can say you have to be there for them and for security. Is this right? I don't mind getting a few pigs and some poultry.

coley in stripes · Post by **coley in stripes** » 29 Dec 2013, 17:21

Andy, it all depends what the authorised use of the land is, if it is agricultural or residential then you can put livestock on there but with regards to residential - be careful that the use of the land is not being taken over for business use, maybe.

Really depends what the individual circumstances is. If you apply for something retrospectfuly, it would be wrong to presume that an application is more likely to be approved. The change of use of the land from its original approved use would have to be for 10 years to become immune from enforcement action.

If you want to describe the actual circumstances and what you are looking for, you will have to 'private' me as some advice I don't want to put on here.

Cheers,

AustrianAndyGull · Post by **AustrianAndyGull** » 29 Dec 2013, 17:28

coley in stripes wrote:Andy, it all depends what the authorised use of the land is, if it is agricultural or residential then you can put livestock on there but with regards to residential - be careful that the use of the land is not being taken over for business use, maybe.

Really depends what the individual circumstances is. If you apply for something retrospectfuly, it would be wrong to presume that an application is more likely to be approved. The change of use of the land from its original approved use would have to be for 10 years to become immune from enforcement action.

If you want to describe the actual circumstances and what you are looking for, you will have to 'private' me as some advice I don't want to put on here.

Cheers,

Cheers Coley. i'll have a think about it and the exact circumstances that I find myself in when i'm ready to consider the leap into the unkown and PM you for advice when I need it mate.

Thanks very much.

coley in stripes · Post by **coley in stripes** » 29 Dec 2013, 17:29

Andy, I have reread what you last said.....The nearest thing that you are going to be allowed is a 'chattel' connected with the current and actual use of the land. BUT you can only use a 'chattel' as a rest/tea room and probably the very occasional overnight stay. But there are ways of delaying enforcement if you made a retrospective application as the result of getting caught for more substantial use.

Cheers,

AustrianAndyGull · Post by **AustrianAndyGull** » 29 Dec 2013, 17:45

EmetEdadsBeard wrote: It's to stop people building monstrosities that look absolutely sh1te that pee the neighbours off. Two examples, one which was VERY close to me.

Andy, can you remember the unfinished house near Belle Vue in Doncaster in the 70s and 80s? A pikey bought that ordinary house, the one closest to what used to be the car park there and built the biggest, ugliest two storey extension from breezeblocks you ever saw without permission. Must have cost a fortune but before it was finished the council ordered it down, proper eyesore. He fought for years and the extension fell into disepair? before he finally lost but it was still many more years before it was knocked down.

Now the close one. My next door neighbour knocked down a small old brick garage and proceded to build a new garage/gym/storage area(he's a plumber) in his garden. Except he was going to build it 12 (yes twelve) feet high next to our border fence, not where the original one was, without planning permission. Its on the South side of our garden and would have cut all what little sunlight we get in Autumn/Winter. I just told him it wasn't going to happen and he knew, without planning permission he was onto a loser so he built it but its only 7 feet high and 'L' shaped which is ok.

and that's why planning permission is a necessity. :rules:

Emet, I don't recall that house. I was only born in the late 70's however. :na:

EmetEdadsBeard · Post by **EmetEdadsBeard** » 31 Dec 2013, 17:48

AustrianAndyGull wrote:
Emet, I don't recall that house. I was only born in the late 70's however. :na:

You had a very long paper round then......................... :rules:

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