Domestic Violence

[Gullscorer]

Domestic violence affects men too..!! One in three victims of domestic abuse are men, according to official statistics, but these under-estimate the true figure, since men are far less likely than women to report abuse against them. The figures show that just one in ten male victims of domestic violence reported it to the police (compared with 29 per cent of women) and more than a quarter of male victims do not tell anybody what has happened to them. Last year 18 men were killed by a partner or ex-partner in England and Wales, according to the last national crime survey, almost half the figure for women. Yet male victims of abuse and violence are either ridiculed or generally ignored as if they don’t exist. Sometimes male victims are arrested following a false allegation of abuse by their violent female partner! http://www.viddler.com/v/db5ffb54

Domestic abuse can occur within intimate relationships, from other family members such as adolescent children, or in the form of ‘honour based’ violence and forced marriage. The incidence of domestic abuse within same-sex or heterosexual relationships is the same, though abuse is greater in Lesbian than in Gay relationships. The vast majority of perpetrators of abuse against children are women, usually single mothers. Children are often made to live with mothers who abuse them, rather than with their fathers, after a divorce, because it is deemed to be in the children’s best interests! In the eyes of the Family Courts (and most police) it's impossible for women to be perpetrators of violence and abuse. Yet 40% of all domestic violence and abuse (calculated from the figures for abuse reported, of 1 in 4 women and 1 in 6 men being victims) is committed by women against their male partners.

Victim Support should be available for anyone living in an abusive or violent relationship, whether men, women or children. Yet practically all the funding and help available, refuges, support, advice is for women. Men who are victims of domestic violence do not have to suffer in silence. They need to know that they can get help and advice. Free confidential helplines - Men’s Advice Line on 0808 801 0327, and the Mankind Initiative on 01823 334244 - are available for men experiencing domestic abuse in their relationships. For further information go to http://www.mensadviceline.org.uk and http://www.mankind.org.uk/

[Gullscorer]

A timely example from today's Eastenders episode (Thursday 15 August), which showed a woman giving her husband a hefty slap across his face. What's the betting it will cause hardly a ripple in the media?

If it had been the husband slapping his wife, no doubt there would be articles everywhere on domestic violence, along with a feminist discussion of the subject on Woman's Hour..

http://ncfm.org/2009/01/issues/domestic-violence/

[ferrarilover]

There are all manner of social and historical reasons for this. The fact is that women hitting men is generally not going to cause too much of a stir because women simply are not physical enough to cause men too much trouble. Sure, some big lesbian unit twatting nine stone Nigel might be a bit different, but that's not a typical case. In a slightly different situation, if Diamondgirl hit me today, (she hit me plenty when I was a nipper . These days they'd call it abuse, but it never did me any harm) I'm not sure I'd really notice, but if I hit her, I could kill her and therein lies the reason that people make more of men hitting women. It's not right, it's not fair and it's not the thing to do. Yes, there is a problem with female spousal abuse and yes, half the problem with it is male pride, stereotyping and a lack of information. That said, the potential held by a man to cause a woman serious injury compared with her ability to do the same to him makes it a grossly unfair fight and one which needs to be redressed in favour of women in order to keep a balance of power. Those of us who know right from wrong must do all we can to help abused women because they face the real danger of being killed or seriously injured by an abusive spouse, whereas the same is true much less frequently where the woman is the abuser.

I fear this post is garbled. It's a bit of a stream of consciousness. Sorry for wasting your time...

Matt.

[Southampton Gull]

Matt, if you hit her, she would stand there laughing at you and blow you over. Are you the 9 stone Nigel you refer to?

[Gullscorer]

Yes we know a woman's slap is just a slap and is less forceful than a man's. But violence in any form should be unacceptable, whether from a man or a woman. And we know that there are men who are extremely dangerous when they become violent, and that their female partners should be protected. And in fact, practically all available funding and resources are devoted to female victims of violence. And almost zero to male victims. It's as if male victims of violence do not exist. Indeed, all feminist and most official propaganda simply presents all women as victims and all men as perpetrators.

The domestic violence figures constantly quoted are that 2 women a week (104 a year) are killed by their partners or former partners in the UK. We rarely see the statistics showing one man a week killed by a partner or ex-partner. In 2011 the British Crime Survey showed 88 female deaths and not 104. It seems that the number 2 is more emotive that 1.69. The 2 per week figure just looks good in media campaigns.

What form does female violence take? Women tend to use weapons more than men, who are more often attacked whilst they are asleep. And female psychological abuse exceeds by far that which comes from men. There are also cases where women have arranged for third parties to commit their violence and murders. If a non-violent man has an abusive female partner, what can he do? If he flees with the children to escape that abuse he will be accused of kidnapping (actually, the vast majority of kidnappers of children are women). If he tries to defend himself and the kids he will be accused of domestic violence and removed from his home, leaving the kids unprotected. In many cases he will be falsely accused of violence and abuse, and denied access to his kids.

Even though more women than men die as a result of domestic violence, all the studies and official figures show that there is otherwise near parity in domestic violence between men and women. (And far more men than women suffer from violence and murder generally). Of course it's right that women should be protected. But why should male victims be given no help, be expected to man up and cope with it alone? In so many areas of modern life, it is men who are disadvantaged, disparaged and ignored, and women who are cosseted, protected and privileged.

[Glostergull]

There are all manner of social and historical reasons for this. The fact is that women hitting men is generally not going to cause too much of a stir because women simply are not physical enough to cause men too much trouble. Sure, some big lesbian unit twatting nine stone Nigel might be a bit different, but that's not a typical case. In a slightly different situation, if Diamondgirl hit me today, (she hit me plenty when I was a nipper . These days they'd call it abuse, but it never did me any harm) I'm not sure I'd really notice, but if I hit her, I could kill her and therein lies the reason that people make more of men hitting women. It's not right, it's not fair and it's not the thing to do. Yes, there is a problem with female spousal abuse and yes, half the problem with it is male pride, stereotyping and a lack of information. That said, the potential held by a man to cause a woman serious injury compared with her ability to do the same to him makes it a grossly unfair fight and one which needs to be redressed in favour of women in order to keep a balance of power. Those of us who know right from wrong must do all we can to help abused women because they face the real danger of being killed or seriously injured by an abusive spouse, whereas the same is true much less frequently where the woman is the abuser.

I fear this post is garbled. It's a bit of a stream of consciousness. Sorry for wasting your time...

Matt.

You stand no chance. she would kill ya before you got near here. I seen them there stares she gives ya.

[Gullscorer]

Analysis of Domestic Violence & Mankind UK Conference 2013:

[Gullscorer]

The latest findings from the British Crime Survey reveal that 17 men were killed by their partners in England and Wales last year. Forty per cent of reported domestic abuse victims were male (although this includes assaults by male relatives and partners). Incredibly, if these figures are to be believed, more married men suffered abuse at the hands of their spouse than married women (2.3 per cent of married men were recorded to have complained about domestic abuse compared with 1.8 per cent of married women). http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... z2meAGVRFh

[Gullscorer]

US National Survey: more men than women are victims of intimate partner violence: http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights ... -violence/ This is almost certainly the case in the UK and other western nations too, and illustrates the absurdity and dangers of feminist-produced 'statistics' presented in feminist propaganda, and, sadly, the old adage that if you repeat a lie often enough it will eventually be accepted as the truth.

[Gullscorer]

Feminist Canadian law professor proposes that murders of men by female partners be legalised:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/fe ... ed-murder/

In the UK this philosophy became embodied in legislation in the form of the Coroners and Justice Act 2009, launched by Labour women’s minister Harriet Harman, which introduced the twin measures of allowing a woman accused of murdering her husband the defences that she was the victim of ‘serious wrong’ or feared she would be the victim of violence, and removed the defence – most often used by men – of provocation. The Lord Chief Justice, Lord Judge, declared, ‘I don’t think this is a sensible way for us to proceed’.

The law was far from gender-neutral: women could kill in cold blood and with calculation, but if they claimed they ‘feared’ violence the charge would be reduced to manslaughter. Thus cold-blooded killing was no longer murder, while killing in the heat of the moment during a temporary loss of control was. In 2012 Lord Judge defied the new law, allowing the appeal of a man who had killed his serially unfaithful wife: excluding infidelity from cases in which it was integral risked ‘injustice’. While one has to applaud him, it is obviously not an ideal situation when judges are ignoring the law.

One of the most prominent examples of ‘battered’ women killing their partners is that of Kiranjit Ahluwalia. In 2001 the Prime Minister’s wife, Cherie Blair, presented her with an award at the Asian Women Awards ceremony for the laudable achievement of pouring petrol – bought for the purpose – onto her husband Deepak while he slept and setting fire to him. He took six days to die. Her defence, that she had only intended to cause pain, failed: she had assaulted him several times previously and was convicted of murder.

Ahluwalia case was then taken up by the Southall Black Sisters – an extreme feminist group – and claimed on appeal that she had lived in fear of Deepak, and had killed him because he was about to leave her. Deepak was not available to confirm either claim. Ahluwalia's conviction was overturned on appeal in 1992 on grounds of insufficient counsel—Ahluwalia had not been aware that she could plead guilty to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility. In addition, it was brought to light that she was suffering from severe depression when she lashed back at her husband, which her new counsel argued had altered her decision making abilities at the time.

So justice in this case was perhaps finally achieved, but Cherie Blair hailed Ahluwalia as a ‘true role model for the next generation’; Ahluwalia was courted by the media, signed a book deal and was even the subject of a film, starring Naveen Andrews and Aishwarya Rai. Her case was a springboard for the feminist campaign which resulted in the 2009 Act, paving the way for women to get away with cold-blooded murder by claiming they are the victim of ‘serious wrong’ or fear they would be the victim of violence.