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OOPS! :Oops: :lol:

I am more than happy to change my mind about Bodin if he shows consistent form, keeps up his workrate which I have to admit has improved, adds a lot more aggression and direction in terms of attacking defenders to his game and also chips in with at least between 5 and 10 goals a season. If we get all that then yes, I am fully prepared to hand out credit and praise and I can admit that I was a lot wrong about him.

As for Knill, believe it or not the same applies to him too despite my antagonism towards him. My opinions are quite simply based on does an individual by and large do what he is paid to do. That is the question I ask and if I can answer yes then they get left alone.

Aaron Downes, Martin Rice, Lee Mansell for example. They make mistakes as all players do but by and large you know what you expect from them as a bare minimum and they generally deliver. Bodin and Knill haven't done this yet so therefore they should quite rightly be subject to criticism. If everyone performs to the bare minimum expected then we climb the table. Simple. No point in 4 of our players doing the business and the rest being under par because we need everyone to be working together for the most part. I see this as a fair system and I fail to see the problem with it.

Hopefully Billy can some back in and do the business and hopefully Knill can turn us around and keep his job because it will mean that Torquay will be in a much healthier state.
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The OP is correct, we have a very handy team on paper, yet we continually under perform.

Poke
Tonge O'Connor Downes Cruise
Chappell Mozika Mansell Craig
Marquis Stockley

That's not a relegation quality team on paper, especially considering on top of that we have players such as Pearce, Bodin, Benyon etc. So why are we where we are?

1. A lack of consistency in team selection cannot help.
2. Knill still hasn't found the right balance to the team, this was abundantly clear at the start of the season.
3. Injuries have not helped at all.
4. Confidence appears to be low thanks to a poor run of results.

3 out of those 4 points ultimately rest with Knill and with the injury troubles nearing the end, the ball is very much in the manager's court to turn things around. Considering I am usually a cynic, I surprisingly believe he can sort it out. A bit of luck and a consistent selection of the team above should see us get more points on the board in the next few games. If not, then we are in a lot of trouble.
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yellowforever wrote:The OP is correct, we have a very handy team on paper, yet we continually under perform.

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Tonge O'Connor Downes Cruise
Chappell Mozika Mansell Craig
Marquis Stockley

That's not a relegation quality team on paper, especially considering on top of that we have players such as Pearce, Bodin, Benyon etc. So why are we where we are?

1. A lack of consistency in team selection cannot help.
2. Knill still hasn't found the right balance to the team, this was abundantly clear at the start of the season.
3. Injuries have not helped at all.
4. Confidence appears to be low thanks to a poor run of results.

3 out of those 4 points ultimately rest with Knill and with the injury troubles nearing the end, the ball is very much in the manager's court to turn things around. Considering I am usually a cynic, I surprisingly believe he can sort it out. A bit of luck and a consistent selection of the team above should see us get more points on the board in the next few games. If not, then we are in a lot of trouble.
That would be my selection as well but Cruise needs to knock balls more firmly as his distribution the other night was not the best. :bow:
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yellowforever wrote:The OP is correct, we have a very handy team on paper, yet we continually under perform.

Poke
Tonge O'Connor Downes Cruise
Chappell Mozika Mansell Craig
Marquis Stockley

That's not a relegation quality team on paper, especially considering on top of that we have players such as Pearce, Bodin, Benyon etc. So why are we where we are?

1. A lack of consistency in team selection cannot help.
2. Knill still hasn't found the right balance to the team, this was abundantly clear at the start of the season.
3. Injuries have not helped at all.
4. Confidence appears to be low thanks to a poor run of results.

3 out of those 4 points ultimately rest with Knill and with the injury troubles nearing the end, the ball is very much in the manager's court to turn things around. Considering I am usually a cynic, I surprisingly believe he can sort it out. A bit of luck and a consistent selection of the team above should see us get more points on the board in the next few games. If not, then we are in a lot of trouble.
Should Harding and Bodin be fit, who do you change? For me, if everyone was fit, it would be,
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Tonge O'Connor Downes Cruise
Mozika Mansell
Chapell Craig Bodin
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I'd have Tuesday's team but with Harding for Mansell and Stockley for Benyon. Oh, and I like brucie's defence idea pushing O'Connor to right back and restoring Pearce to the centre of defence. Am not sure when O'Connor's loan runs out. Is it before Saturday or is Saturday his last game?
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Rjc70 wrote:I'd have Tuesday's team but with Harding for Mansell and Stockley for Benyon. Oh, and I like brucie's defence idea pushing O'Connor to right back and restoring Pearce to the centre of defence. Am not sure when O'Connor's loan runs out. Is it before Saturday or is Saturday his last game?
How can you pick the team when you did not see the game! Mansell played well get off his back :lol: :red:
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I agree that the team looks promising on paper. My concern is how sustainable is it. If we keep getting a new set of forwards each month, after the previous loanees return to their home club when their loan expires, it is going to be difficult getting any consistency.

However, I am happy to take some of these players if they are willing to come here.

Reminds of some good forwards we had in the past on loan - Dean Sturridge, Jason Roberts and Alan Lee. (The latter we could have signed but Bateson wouldn't go for it, and there was always suspicion we could have signed Sturridge, although Bateson always denied that one)
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The squad is strong, it's just lacking in confidence. We need a win to kick start the season and get us out of the rutt. A win on Tuesday would have done wonders.

When confidence is low people don't show or want for the ball and all too often the ball gets hit long. If the team we have was playing with confidence and expressing themselves I honestly feel we would give most teams a run for their money. I just hope that the win comes soon!
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Bodin and Harding on the bench for me. They've been out too long to be able to come back into the team and 'hit the ground running', which is what we need. Besides, I think our best team is the one I've posted already and neither feature in that.
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brucie wrote:Are the players of really greater quality though - if they are why cannot we win games?
With all due respect to Stockley and Marquis they both lack much experience. Stockley may have been on loan to Orient but I don't think he played much. Loan spells at Accrington and Woking wouldn't necessarily fill me with any great enthusiasm to be honest.
I am pleased that he has been brought in as I do think we need another forward but is Knill realy going to drop Benyon after playing well and scoring against Plymouth? - that would look like really muddled thinking to me. Benyon has been there and done it at this level and in my view remains the forward who is must likely to dig us out of the sh*t.
Yes O'Connor,Pearce and Downes are good players but Pearce cannot get in the team - that looks another dubious decision by the manager. Play all three with O'Connor at right back.
I havn't seen Mozika yet but agreed he should get stronger the more he plays. The imminent return of Bodin makes us stronger although I am not sure what has happened to Harding - he was supposed to be back from injury about three weeks ago.
Well yeah, there's so much more to winning a game of football than merely having higher quality players than either last year or the other side. The players, individually, are all (for Hector's benefit, this is one of those times we discussed, where you might feel the need to use the word "almost") better than their equivalents from last year. There's something else missing or at odds which is preventing us from winning matches. I certainly don't think the quality in the squad could possibly be blamed.
You're a big fan of suggesting that players don't have experience, and it's usually accurate up to a point, but I think you invest too much stock in it. Players these days play football endlessly from the age of about 5. By the time they're 14, they're basically doing nothing else for 6 hours a day. A 20 year old today has probably played more minutes of football than a 30 year old from 25 years ago.

Knill suffers with the opposite thing from Ling, in that he over thinks problems. Ling had one plan, one single way of playing. If that works, great, if not, we're ****. Knill tries to micro-manage every game, changing formation and personnel to nullify the opposition and attack their identified weaknesses. If he thinks that two big guys up front will beat Scunthorpe, then Bennerz will miss out regardless of his midweek showing.

We lambasted Buckle for playing guys out of position. If O'Connor isn't a right back, he shouldn't be wedged into the team at RB just to get him on the pitch. Tongue hasn't been too bad this year and is a specialist in the position, that's got to be preferable to mashing a random in there simply because he's better all round player. A brain surgeon may well be highly talented, but I want a heart surgeon doing my bypass surgery.

Harding is recovering slowly from his foot injury. He's in a protective boot all week to help it along.

Overall, yeah, we're a much better side this year than we were at any time last year. Is this side as good as the best XI we had available on the first day of two seasons ago? No, certainly not. So, we're not anywhere near as good as the side which finished 5th and we're better than the side which finished 21st (or whatever). 16th place, anyone?

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Yes, I'd take 16th place right now. :na: :nod:
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