Call to arms.......

[royalgull]

Bit OTT a title but I couldn't think of anything else.

Tomorrow is huge, massive, enormous, mountainous, it is how Steve McLaren would say 'Big Gamesh' for the sake of our season, not just because it's Plymouth (although it definitely plays a part) but tomorrow will be a game under the lights with a full away end backing their side and for once all feeling towards Knill and maybe certain individuals at the club or team have to be put to one side and everyone needs to be United behind the cause of Torquay winning tomorrow.

Fans rarely can make a difference, but if there is a time that they possibly can it's when the chips are down, everyone's giving up hope and if Knill can't motivate or inspire the players maybe the crowd can tomorrow. If a player makes a mistake, get behind him, if Chapell hits a cross that lands on Paul Bastard's head instead of Benyon's get behind him, if Hawley shoots and it lands in the sea, get behind him.

It's do or die tomorrow losing isn't even thinkable, if you are at the game tomorrow seriously while the 90minutes is happening don't have a go at anyone in yellow. Have a go at those in green if you must! but get behind our lads for the duration.

[AustrianAndyGull]

How many of these 'chestbeating' cries of togetherness have we heard though? I know you mean well and it all makes sense but a lot of people don't think like us and will be on Knill's back (and the players too which is 100 times worse) regardless. It's not going to happen in a million years which is incredibly sad. Believe me I want to go up to Knill and chin the bloke for what he is doing to this club but what's the point? Knill isn't going to be pushed. Some fans are just too thick to realise that barracking your own players isn't going to make them turn into Lionel Messi in the blink of an eye. All they will do is hide, want the ball less and make fewer attempts to get involved for fear of abuse. I know it's frustrating and if anyone wants to rant and swear about how crap a player was then fine, just wait until after the game and do it on here where it can't affect the result. Again though, never going to happen.

[royalgull]

For one day only, Positive Vibes............

[Dave]

Nice thread Ian, however got a real feeling it's going to fall on deaf ears . Go on the popside and take up my normal place just across the steps from the fanatics flag , you can tell it, it's almost like everyone is just waiting for the game to go against us, so they can start venting their anger and frustration, last match fair play to Dannyrv he brought a drum tried to get chants going to no avail.

The first big chant cam from fog horn, "shut up Barlow" Followed by giggle, giggle from all the little followers, yep take a bow, just the way to support your team, then we ship a couple of goals, and the next big chant when a Chesterfield player dared to question a decision that went against him, was...wanker, wanker..priceless.

To be fair "yellowarmy" Is the most mind numbingly boring chant going , however it's the only most of the ground will join in with, if we have to stand for 90 minutes singing, then so be it, and it's Plymouth home, no one should winding for this game.

[royalgull]

Plainmoor is never going to be a cauldron of passion, there are lots of us that support the club as much as anyone else supports theirs but it's not a footballing hotbed and this thread wasn't even about the atmosphere at home games which is generally not great. One thing about plainmoor is the crowd are extremely close to the players, especially on the popside, they will hear what is said. Encourage and be enthusiastic towards them is more the point rather than be negative and abusive it doesn't make anyone play better.

At the start of the season Hawley to me looked a class above, now he looks utterly incompetent, confidence is the biggest thing in football. Easily lost and a hell of a lot harder to gain. If Knill can't give the players that lift then perhaps just perhaps the supporters could.

[AustrianAndyGull]

Plainmoor is never going to be a cauldron of passion, there are lots of us that support the club as much as anyone else supports theirs but it's not a footballing hotbed and this thread wasn't even about the atmosphere at home games which is generally not great. One thing about plainmoor is the crowd are extremely close to the players, especially on the popside, they will hear what is said. Encourage and be enthusiastic towards them is more the point rather than be negative and abusive it doesn't make anyone play better.

At the start of the season Hawley to me looked a class above, now he looks utterly incompetent, confidence is the biggest thing in football. Easily lost and a hell of a lot harder to gain. If Knill can't give the players that lift then perhaps just perhaps the supporters could.

Many of us tried issuing shouts and comments of encouragement to most of the players on Saturday all throughout the game, I even got a thumbs up from Benners for one and my God it was hard to keep encouraging the lads out on the pitch when A: You're in Accrington B: It's freezing C: There is no roof on the terrace so you have to keep shouting louder so the lads can hear and D: We turned a 1-0 win gradually into a 2-1 loss. I know most of the players appreciate the support, Ricey for one, Benyon another example and others and that is why I do it but if we think it makes them play any better than we're very much mistaken.

The responsibility for getting us out of this mess is down to Alan Knill and him alone. So as much as I love encouraging our lads in whatever circumstances I don't for one minute think it can help change a game. I just think that being positive in this particular instance far outweighs the outcome it would be if we were negative though. All day long.

The supporters away from home when I've been have been amazing but yet we're still in the bottom two. There is no correlation between positive support from the stands to positive outcomes on the pitch IMO.

[AustrianAndyGull]

Positive vibes though. I can't convey them tomorrow but I will at Scunny on Saturday rest assured!

[Dave]

I know that, but if we're chanting something, anything, even, which yellow army, this yellow army or that yellow army, it's positive and will encourage the players.

What did we get last Saturday, not only as said above but, McCourt you're shit f-off back to Leicester after his first miss-placed pass, despite having no chance with either goal, after being left hopelessly exposed by some keystone kops defending , after the second goal went in, f-off Rice you're shit, and that's exactly what we'll get Tuesday unless the team are winning, as said, will fall on deaf ears, cast iron guarantee.

[AustrianAndyGull]

I know that, but if we're chanting something, anything, even, which yellow army, this yellow army or that yellow army, it's positive and will encourage the players.

What did we get last Saturday, not only as said above but, McCourt you're shit f-off back to Leicester after his first miss-placed pass, despite having no chance with either goal, after being left hopelessly exposed by some keystone kops defending , after the second goal went in, f-off Rice you're shit, and that's exactly what we'll get Tuesday unless the team are winning, as said, will fall on deaf ears, cast iron guarantee.

I can sort of understand this from the youngsters. I must admit when I was a teenager I was pretty much the same but anyone over about 20 years old coming out with this sh*t isn't mature enough to work out that what they are shouting is harming the team even more. Fans will say they have a right to shout stuff because they've paid their money like everybody else and I agree with that but they should be intelligent enough to realise that it has no positive effect. I say 'should' although I know it's a big ask.

At the end of the day it's going to happen and some fans are going to shout the same old stuff regardless so like you say, we just have to keep countering that with positive comments more often and hope the players don't take negative comments too seriously.

[brucie]

Pointless thread. Accrington was a big game. They are all big games. In the games I have seen I havn't heard anyone really get on the players/manager's back but I can guaranteed the fans won't forgive anymore defeats at home.

[Dutchgull]

"The responsibility for getting us out of this mess is down to Alan Knill and him alone."

Not Quite Andy

I am not defending Alan Knill BUT

The players should EARN their pay. I may not like my manager at my place of work but I still have to get on with it and do my job. Does any other boss have to give a rousing speech every 45 minutes just to enable you to complete what you do for a living ????

:B :B :B


They should get on with the simple job of playing football as they are bloody well paid to do !!

[royalgull]

Pointless thread. Accrington was a big game. They are all big games. In the games I have seen I havn't heard anyone really get on the players/manager's back but I can guaranteed the fans won't forgive anymore defeats at home.

Accrington was a big game but this is bigger for 2 reasons. 1 it's the next game and we can't change the past, 2 this is the last straw for I would imagine every fan. Beat Plymouth in front of a good crowd and jump up the league and get the home supporters back on side. Or lose it and it's curtains isn't it really there will be no way back.

[AustrianAndyGull]

We can only jump up the league if Bury don't beat Hartlepool at home and Brizzle don't beat Cheltenham away, both which are entirely possible. Actually we could be 3 points adrift of safety come Tuesday night.

[Gullscorer]

Fog and 3 degrees forecast for tomorrow evening. If the weather gets any worse than that forecast, very few are going to turn up to watch. That's if the game doesn't get called off...!! Who wants frozen toes..??

[AustrianAndyGull]

If someone would pay for my travel, ticket and hotel then no word of a lie I'd go down and stand on the pop in a vest and shorts for the game. Who gives a sh*t about the weather?!! If you don't want to go because it's a 'bit cold' then stay at bloody home then!!! Maybe these people should look up the definition of the word 'want'. It means 'a desire to do something' apparently. I think a few people maybe confusing the word with 'have to'.

You should want to go because it's a massive game, it's a Devon derby, the lads need your support, it's your club and the club needs the cash ffs!