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by arcadia » 01 Sep 2015, 20:44

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Gullscorer wrote: The attitude you express is not wanted here, Dazza. Divergence of opinion is wanted, and is welcome on this forum. Exchanges of views encourage thought and deeper understandings of issues. Who is to say that Little Gull, having read the responses to his or her post, has not reconsidered his or her position and arrived at a new understanding of the situation at Plainmoor? Or if not, so what?

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, and everyone is entitled to disagree, and to say why. But what would happen if we discouraged, even banned, those with whom we disagree, especially those with opinions we perceive to be wildly wrong? We would end up with an echo chamber of similar views and a hive mentality of bigots. And that is what is not wanted here.

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by Gullscorer » 01 Sep 2015, 20:12

Dazza wrote:The normal perspective of little gulls is to look down on people from on high, achieving limited and small frame views,but the ability to poop on anyone and everyone. Please little gull go fly away somewhere else. You are not wanted here.
The attitude you express is not wanted here, Dazza. Divergence of opinion is wanted, and is welcome on this forum. Exchanges of views encourage thought and deeper understandings of issues. Who is to say that Little Gull, having read the responses to his or her post, has not reconsidered his or her position and arrived at a new understanding of the situation at Plainmoor? Or if not, so what?

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, and everyone is entitled to disagree, and to say why. But what would happen if we discouraged, even banned, those with whom we disagree, especially those with opinions we perceive to be wildly wrong? We would end up with an echo chamber of similar views and a hive mentality of bigots. And that is what is not wanted here.

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by Jerry » 01 Sep 2015, 18:00

tomogull wrote:
They are sensibly running the club on a 'break even' gate of 1800 instead of expecting Thea Bristow to act as Lady Bountiful by propping up the club to the tune of £2000 per month.
It was much worse than that Tomo, try £2,000 per DAY.

Whilst Littlegull has been rightly castigated for his views I do feel a lot of people are looking for straw men to attack. I have seen and heard very little negativity from our fans, who in the main are very understanding of the situation we are in and almost unfailingly supportive of Paul Cox.

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by Dazza » 01 Sep 2015, 17:34

The normal perspective of little gulls is to look down on people from on high, achieving limited and small frame views,but the ability to poop on anyone and everyone. Please little gull go fly away somewhere else. You are not wanted here.

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by Jeff » 01 Sep 2015, 12:18

I think you only need to compare our current position in the league to Kidderminster - a similarly sized club also facing financial problems, but with a substantially better geographical position for picking up players.

With the run of games we've had to start the season, it wasn't beyond the realms of possibility to see us with 1 or 2 points and already adrift. The fact that we are just a couple of points behind the much fancied Grimsby says to me that Cox is getting as much as he can out of the team.

It will be interesting to see how we get on in the next run of games. Let's be honest, if we want to be sure of staying in this division we need to be getting 3 points off your Wellings, Guiseleys etc. let's get behind the team for these games rather than jumping on the back of some defeats to the divisions fancied sides

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by Southampton Gull » 01 Sep 2015, 11:39

Richinns wrote:To sum up little gull - you are a massive shit-house!

Want a little perspective do you? - HERE YOU GO! - The budget Cox has this year would have been in the bottom 4 of budgets for all teams competing in last years league.

Posts like yours only serve to cause damage to a club which a few months ago would have gone altogether.

Full respect from me to those who saved this club and I fully respect that the budget Cox is working with means we will experience performances such as the Cheltenham one. The damage done by the Phillips era will take years to recover from - and those writing such glorious insights as you (after only a handful of games) are nothing short of ignorant.

If Cox keeps us up this year, the attendances average to at least 1800 and the board can get the books back in line then brighter days are ahead for us all but right now we need to hunker down and come together in order to survive the sh1t storm which is a result of times past.
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I had a good chat with Steve Breed before the game yesterday and if you listen to the described state the club was in at the time the new consortium took over then only a fool would expect any more than what we actually are at the moment. A rebuilding of the club is underway and we're so fortunate that we're able to do it from a lowpoint that still finds us being able to compete in a national league. The likes of Tiverton in a league game were oh so close. The manipulation of situations by certain previous board members can only be described as incompetent beyond belief.

I came away yesterday feeling proud that the club I love is still alive and kicking and in the best hands that are available to us. The fans were great yesterday and I'm sure the players felt it and will respond positively to that kind of support. What we don't need is the negativity surrounding the odd poor performance, at least the players are trying on what I saw. It's time for us as fans to get behind the club like never before, time to show how passionate we are about the club and make the players feel they belong, most have been all over the place, make them feel at home.

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by stefano » 01 Sep 2015, 08:49

dannyrvtufc4life wrote:Rome wasn't built in a day...
Last time I went it still wasn't finished ;-)

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by Colorado Gull » 01 Sep 2015, 08:20

Rome wasn't built in a day...

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by Richinns » 01 Sep 2015, 08:18

To sum up little gull - you are a massive shit-house!

Want a little perspective do you? - HERE YOU GO! - The budget Cox has this year would have been in the bottom 4 of budgets for all teams competing in last years league.

Posts like yours only serve to cause damage to a club which a few months ago would have gone altogether.

Full respect from me to those who saved this club and I fully respect that the budget Cox is working with means we will experience performances such as the Cheltenham one. The damage done by the Phillips era will take years to recover from - and those writing such glorious insights as you (after only a handful of games) are nothing short of ignorant.

If Cox keeps us up this year, the attendances average to at least 1800 and the board can get the books back in line then brighter days are ahead for us all but right now we need to hunker down and come together in order to survive the sh1t storm which is a result of times past.

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by tomogull » 31 Aug 2015, 22:49

forevertufc wrote:Today, despite another loss, I've had a great day out, loved the atmosphere in the ground, great to see so many TUFC fans there. These moments would not have been possible if it hadn't been for Steve Breed, Dean Edwards and the new board.

I will be grateful for a long, long time that thanks to these people we still have a club, we still have national league football, and a chance to push back into football league in future. Does that put in perspective for anyone.
In response to Little Gull's scattergun rant against Dean Edwards, Chris Fleet, the manager, the assistant manager, the players - virtually anyone connected with the running of the club, Forever's post gives a true PERSPECTIVE on our season. There was a time when we didn't think we would even have a club so I'm truly grateful to Dean Edwards and the consortium that has taken over the reins. They are sensibly running the club on a 'break even' gate of 1800 instead of expecting Thea Bristow to act as Lady Bountiful by propping up the club to the tune of £2000 per month. I believe they have appointed an excellent management team and Paul Cox has managed to bring in a promising group of young players on one year contracts, unlike Knill who made poor signings on hefty two year contracts.

Yes - the gates may well fall below 1800 if there are many performances like the Cheltenham match but I suspect Mr Cox will make bloody sure that doesn't often happen ! His after match interview was refreshingly honest and I think that reflects his character. And another thing - this time last season we had enough cards to make up a full pack. Apart from one silly red card, the team is much more disciplined this season. That also reflects on Paul Cox's attitude to the game. So let's not get carried away by negativity. If we're as low as 17th at the end of September, then it might be time to get a little concerned. But like Forever, I am enjoying this season and I feel optimistic for the future. I really think the club is going in the right direction again.

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by Gullscorer » 31 Aug 2015, 21:01

IanGull01 wrote:Blimey!! Only played 7 games and I'm sure most people would have taken our start!!
We have a club first and foremost. We have a manager held in high regard and who has won this league!!
We were not going to win every game. We still have a young team who are still learning and getting to know each other!
I know we all want to be winning games but I'm afraid this year we are going to have to take deep breaths and accept that there are going to be some rough times performance wise!
I'm in no doubt though we will get there and we have the right structure at the club to get us there!!
We don't need to know what wages are available or who's on what wage. All we need to worry about is supporting our team and giving them all we can give.
They have saved the club and will make sure we are a stable and well run club. The rest will follow after that and we will be fine!!
COYY!!!
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by IanGull01 » 31 Aug 2015, 20:24

Blimey!! Only played 7 games and I'm sure most people would have taken our start!!

We have a club first and foremost. We have a manager held in high regard and who has won this league!!

We were not going to win every game. We still have a young team who are still learning and getting to know each other!

I know we all want to be winning games but I'm afraid this year we are going to have to take deep breaths and accept that there are going to be some rough times performance wise!

I'm in no doubt though we will get there and we have the right structure at the club to get us there!!

We don't need to know what wages are available or who's on what wage. All we need to worry about is supporting our team and giving them all we can give.

They have saved the club and will make sure we are a stable and well run club. The rest will follow after that and we will be fine!!

COYY!!!

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by kevgull » 31 Aug 2015, 20:17

Look at it like this:

Our starting 7 games, they were akin to those of Kiddiminster, Lincoln, Aldershot and Boreham wood. Compare this to the promotion chasing teams.

I would also guess that somewhere between 10% and 15% of our budget is being given to Hargreaves and Hodges this season.

Our squad,with many new additions was hastily put together just in time to start the new season. Reports being that the budget was half that of last season.

Lose Luke Young ( skipper and talisman) for the season, with further disruptions for injuries for the likes of Fairhurst, Hurst and Briscoe to some extent.

Add a couple of sh*te performance from the officials and you can understand where we are In league.

It wouldn't also be a surprise to me to find out that we are putting out, on average, the lowest aged match day squad in his league for some years.

Lets stick together and keep the support going!

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by taxilady » 31 Aug 2015, 19:51

^ ^ :goodpost:

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by Dave » 31 Aug 2015, 19:40

Today, despite another loss, I've had a great day out, loved the atmosphere in the ground, great to see so many TUFC fans there. These moments would not have been possible if it hadn't been for Steve Breed, Dean Edwards and the new board.

I will be grateful for a long, long time that thanks to these people we still have a club, we still have national league football, and a chance to push back into football league in future. Does that put in perspective for anyone.

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