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If I remember rightly I think Suarez's second goal against Norwich came from him nicking the ball off a defender, although rather than coming from an offside position, he came from inside the box when a goal kick was taken, which I believe means it should've been retaken.

Tough one really, but he is moving towards the ball so I think it's all down to the specific situation. If he stood still with his hands up then that makes it easy to carry on. But he has moved to it within the same phase of play.

A little bit similar to the thing I posted in the OP, ball through to Van Persie who was miles offside, but let it run through his legs, and had his hands up in that "I'm not going to touch the ball because I'm offside and I know it" gesture,such that the onrushing [Man Utd player, name unknown] (who started miles onside) might run through on goal. The lino flagged for offside as soon as the ball went past Van Persie and he was most upset about it.

Matt.

I don't recall it, I watched MOTD as I had a game when the game was live...what happened?

Did you see the Van Persie incident in the Man Utd v Chelsea game?

Matt.

We are told to wait until the player touches the ball, or is making a direct run to it.

This allows for any other attacker who could be onside to get possession.

Is that in all circumstances, Y4 (the striker needing to actually touch the ball), or specific to this instance?

Matt.

The law actually states that the striker has to make contact with the ball, which includes running towards the ball.

You are correct when you say, the defender has to be in control for phase change

just asked my fiance and he says:

yeah, the offside rule in instances like that is all to do with phases
Rene's obviously offside in the original situation, but if the defender's controlled the ball first then the play has moved on to the next phase
What the referee should have done though is blown for offside in the first place if he thought there was any chance that Howe may interfere with play. Seemingly though he just let play continue.

and it depends if that defender that 'dwelled' on the ball sufficiently touched and controlled it or not before Howe nicks the ball from him. If he has then the goal should stand as the play has moved on from the last phase.

[quote="Kernowgull"]The standard of refereeing is no worse than ever before. [color=#FF0000]We just have fitter, faster players,[/color] who are willing to cheat, and tv cameras everywhere for people to analyse and debate decisions (thats the key point, decisions are debated with tv replays, how the hell can a ref get it right if people cant make a decision when they look at it 10 times from 10 angles?).

Players need to stop cheating before referees should be criticised![/quote]

Yes, so we need fitter & faster officials, there can be little excuse when a lino is in line, a few yards away & unobstructed, & still gets it wrong. Players only cheat because they know they will most likely get away with it as the officials are so cr#p. TV pundits are paid to debate & argue with each other, if they all agreed over video replays then there would be little point in using them.

The standard of refereeing is no worse than ever before. We just have fitter, faster players, who are willing to cheat, and tv cameras everywhere for people to analyse and debate decisions (thats the key point, decisions are debated with tv replays, how the hell can a ref get it right if people cant make a decision when they look at it 10 times from 10 angles?).

Players need to stop cheating before referees should be criticised!

Slightly off topic but the standard of the officials in todays Prem. games ( Everton v Liverpool, & Chelsea v Man U ) was absolutely dreadful. What's more it seems like every week there are terrible decisions being made.
I.M.O. the time has come where the very best foreign refs are registered, it is quite obvious that the current Prem. pool of officials are not good enough.

Brilliant, thanks guys.

Matt.

I don't understand the rules of football which makes it a lot easier for me on matchdays. It means i can slag the ref off regardless of whether he's right or not! :)

All depends on whether or not the officials were watching a different game.. ;-)

However, if the referee hasn't blown his whistle then play goes on until the ball goes out of play or the whistle is blown, and so in this particular scenario the goal stands. The referee's decision is final.. :rules: