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madgull wrote: ...so you're saying that eight out of 11 players on the pitch played OK in a 5-1 defeat?

No - I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that I wouldn't accuse those players of not showing commitment. In fact, I'd also include Richards in there, making nine players. I wouldn't say anyone played o.k. although Campbell had a much better game than against Telford. I may have seen the game differently to most fans who were there because I wouldn't describe it as a humiliation. Yes - Braintree were the better side but at 2 -1, we were still well in the game. In my opinion, the killer was the third goal. After that, we disintegrated big time all over the pitch and that was not acceptable. Credit to Braintree for five excellent finishes. You may well say I'm being too generous to the players. We'll see how they perform tomorrow against Kiddy.

I'm getting pretty fed up with people saying how much work Ajala does just because he makes 2 or 3 lung busting runs to chase a winger each game. Most of the time he wouldn't have had to run at all if he was in his proper position I'm the first place.

I constantly see him as our second most forward player when the ball is 30 yards from our own goal, which is frankly unacceptable these days. He often doesn't bother to track runs or cover his full back. He was lying on the floor while Braintree scored on Tuesday, and was partly at fault for leaving Dawson exposed during the build up to chesters goal (or was it Telford?)

All of this would be more than fine if he was actually doing anything going forward,but the guy flatters to deceive big time. His end product is non existent since Christmas, constantly running into blind alleys,no crosses or goals to speak of. It's only the fact Briscoe can't play wide and Cameron has decided he's not a footballer that keeps him in the side.

tomogull wrote: I think this is a 'heat of the moment' posting as I would add Young, Downes, Guergon, Dawson and Ives to your three. I agree Luke Young should not be captain - he's trying too hard and I think he would be better with the responsibility of captain taken from him. It was a big ask for a young player in thd first place. I'm as angry as anyone at tongiht's defeat but i put the blame firmly on the manager for his team selection and total lack of a game plan.

...so you're saying that eight out of 11 players on the pitch played OK in a 5-1 defeat?

MidDevon wrote: I agree I think Middevon was a bit frustrated last night when he wrote this

....but I would say he showed more passion on the night than most of the team....so give him a break....he really is a nice chap <3

Yep - I can fully understand MidDevon's frustration last night and I'm sure, as you say, he's a really, really nice bloke .....

tomogull wrote: I think this is a 'heat of the moment' posting as I would add Young, Downes, Guergon, Dawson and Ives to your three. I agree Luke Young should not be captain - he's trying too hard and I think he would be better with the responsibility of captain taken from him. It was a big ask for a young player in thd first place. I'm as angry as anyone at tongiht's defeat but i put the blame firmly on the manager for his team selection and total lack of a game plan.

I agree I think Middevon was a bit frustrated last night when he wrote this

....but I would say he showed more passion on the night than most of the team....so give him a break....he really is a nice chap <3

I could hear people from Family Stand calling for him to be replaced quite a while before he was subbed; sure he could hear it as well...good acoustics at LWS, especially when there's not many there.

brucie wrote:Basically I would keep Ajala,Young and Richards.
is it true that Bowman threw a tantrum when subbed. He has been kept on the pitch every game despite being abyssmal. If it is true - what a prick.

He was ok when his number went up but then a fair few of the fans started ironic cheers and that pissed him off. By the time he had made it to the touchline his head had gone. He didn't do anything too silly but it was obvious to all that he was not a happy bunny. I might be wrong but I think he snubbed CH as he made his way to the bench.

I thought Levi Ives did very well on the night. Guegan made a mistake for the final goal but I rate him.

My question for Chris Hargreaves is what has happened to change a winning team in August/Sept into a losing team?

Basically I would keep Ajala,Young and Richards.
is it true that Bowman threw a tantrum when subbed. He has been kept on the pitch every game despite being abyssmal. If it is true - what a prick.

The only players worth keeping for next season are Young and Ajala. The rest can bugger off.

MidDevon wrote:Firstly, Rice, Campbell and Ajala . Thank you for putting in a shift today. Your commitment was there for all to see. This is not aimed at you

I think this is a 'heat of the moment' posting as I would add Young, Downes, Guergon, Dawson and Ives to your three. I agree Luke Young should not be captain - he's trying too hard and I think he would be better with the responsibility of captain taken from him. It was a big ask for a young player in thd first place. I'm as angry as anyone at tongiht's defeat but i put the blame firmly on the manager for his team selection and total lack of a game plan.

I agree, as said, I'm a huge fan of Toby Ajala, and echo both the above posts, just saying he deserves no credit for tonight.

I think Ajala was frustrated as opposed to lazy this evening, yes he made some wrong decisions, but I though he made more of an effort than most of the others

I am not sure if you noticed but when we went 4 up front, we did exactly that.

Braintree had 2 clear shots on goal, one which led to a goal with 4 Torquay players all in the Braintree half of the pitch....they must have been told to stay up there, can understand 1 or 2 staying up but 4 for Christ sake !

forevertufc wrote:Thank Ajala for what exactly. Don't get me wrong anyone who follows my posts should be in no doubt I'm a massive Ajala fan, but tonight he was one of the biggest disgraces on the park.

Toby Ajala clearly does not buy into wing backs, as he strolled around the pitch looking like he couldn't give a flying fork, but, wait, CH nakes a substitution changes it to a flat back four and amazingly with seconds Ajala managed to sprint 20 yards and win a corner, the first thing he'd done in the game.

Or maybe we should be thanking Ajala for lying in the centre circle pretending to be injured as Braintree strolled 20 yards up the pitch a stuck the ball into the back of our net for the third goal. Did Ajala need treatment, of course not, he wasn't injured, yes, so thanks Toby for not chasing back and putting in a challenge.

thank god!