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[quote="ferrarilover"]It's not going to be up to Billy. He might want to leave, but he's got to find a club willing either to pay a fee, or risk the tribunal (which will award some fee and will cost yet more in admin). They also then have to pay him a salary he will accept for 9 months while he's injured, so that's another £45-60k out the window. If they also pay £50k for him anyway, you're asking a L2 club (he's nothing like good enough for L1) to spunk a hundred grand on a guy who won't kick a ball in all that time and might not be any good once he does.
Or they could sign JJOTwat from Rovers for the same money, a bloke who has single handedly turned Rovers from relegation certainties into a L2 side once again next year.

One of us is deluded Rooster...

As to insurance, according to Manse, players are insured, but have to seek their own policies. Clubs, as an alphanumeric friend suggested, are insured also, presumably against the cost of treatment and whatnot.

Matt.[/quote]

It will only go to tribunal if we offer Bodin the same salary (or better) than he is currently on. That in turn leaves us exposed to paying him a hefty salary for the season if no one comes in for him.

It's not going to be up to Billy. He might want to leave, but he's got to find a club willing either to pay a fee, or risk the tribunal (which will award some fee and will cost yet more in admin). They also then have to pay him a salary he will accept for 9 months while he's injured, so that's another £45-60k out the window. If they also pay £50k for him anyway, you're asking a L2 club (he's nothing like good enough for L1) to spunk a hundred grand on a guy who won't kick a ball in all that time and might not be any good once he does.
Or they could sign JJOTwat from Rovers for the same money, a bloke who has single handedly turned Rovers from relegation certainties into a L2 side once again next year.

One of us is deluded Rooster...

As to insurance, according to Manse, players are insured, but have to seek their own policies. Clubs, as an alphanumeric friend suggested, are insured also, presumably against the cost of treatment and whatnot.

Matt.

[quote="rooster"]Do you honestly think a player of his age and experience would want to hang around at Torquay and delay moving on if he could because of an injury and extend it it f**k me you lot are more deluded than I thought....[/quote]

Billy has been in professional football for 5 years.

He made his debut for Wales U21 against Bosnia in 2009.

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He played 5 times in 2010 for Swindon in the league including 2 full games, no goals and no assists. Also he played 72 minutes in a 1-0 win for Wales U21 against Austria (boooooooooo! :Oops: ).

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In 2011/2012 he had what you could fairly describe as his best and first full season. In 21 starts for us, he scored 5 times and made 2 assists. In 8 games for Swindon he scored 3 times with 1 assist and he ended the season at Crewe on loan making 8 starts and a sub appearance in the play off away leg at Southend. He failed to score for Crewe and made just 1 assist.

For Wales U21 he made 9 appearances including 6 starts and 3 sub appearances and scored twice in the 4-0 home win over Andorra. He made no assists.

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2012/2013 supplied Billy with a lot of game time, starting 40 of our 46 league games and playing to full time in a large part of them too. He also made 3 sub appearances in the league. He scored 5 times including 1 penalty and made 4 assists. So a goal every 8 starts and setting someone up once every 10 starts.

He also started against Yeovil in the JPT and Harrogate in the FA Cup where he neither scored nor assisted.

He made one start for Wales U21 in a 3-0 home win over Iceland but failed to score or assist.

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This year he has made 23 league starts for us and played for most of the 90 in most and he has scored just one goal. The winner at Pompey which for most will probably be the highlight of his Gulls career. He has made just 3 assists and also made 6 league appearances as sub.

He also played the entire game in our league cup defeat at Swindon.

For his country he made 6 starts against European powerhouses Moldova (x2) San Marino (x2) and also Lithuania at home. The other game was a 5-1 home hammering against Finland. He did at least manage 1 goal at home in the 4-0 rout of San Marino but was also part of the team who gave the men from inside Italy their first ever U21 win when the minnows won 1-0 in the return fixture.

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So they are all the stats I could find on Billy and other than the one season playing for 3 clubs who all were successful (Swindon walking the league, Crewe going up via the play offs and us reaching the play offs too) and doing ok. Not great but ok I think it is very, very safe to assume that Billy is a huge confidence player who only turns up when the wins are flowing.

I'm sorry but that's not good enough.

Given we're unlikely to be running away with the conference next season whilst playing like Brazil I think it wise if we said goodbye. The evidence is there to see. He just isn't good enough or nowhere near consistent enough for us. It's easy to play in winning teams.

Look at his international record too. Mainly against appalling opposition he has a woeful record.

I respect your view Rooster but I have to disagree with the point about us being deluded. Bodin needs to work out that there is a lot more to being a pro than what he has delivered during his career so far. He is only 22 but the signs aren't good. He is a poor luxury player.

I would still back CH if he wants to give Bodin another year if the injury will be rectified under 6 months but I expect a lot more of the same. The only hope is if we have settled into a rhythm as a team and are playing good footy and being fairly successful. Then he can slot in and maybe be a success. On all known evidence Billy needs to be in a side attacking and winning. Begs the question why we have been playing him so much the last 2 years then really.

IMO it really should be Billy begging US for a deal and not the other way around because I honestly cannot see any decent league 2 team taking a punt, especially now he is injured.

Do you honestly think a player of his age and experience would want to hang around at Torquay and delay moving on if he could because of an injury and extend it it as being suggested because he's not good enough..............f**k me you lot are more deluded than I thought....

Not sure what the insurance position might be in that scenario. Might there be relevance in the fact he is under 24? Good point, tomo.

I'm hoping arcadia doesn't spot my apostrophe error above, though. ;-)

[quote="Rjc70"]

I think Club's are often insured in these instances, aren't they? Going back a bit and my memory is sketchy here, I seem to recall such insurance being mentioned around the time either Matt Hewlett or Brian McGlinchey were with us.[/quote]

Yes - I think you're right RJC but the interesting question here is - the insurance would apply to players registered with the club. Billy's contract runs until the end of June ..... would the insurance still apply if the club choose to offer Billy a new contract ?

[quote="Gullscorer"]Are players insured against injury..??[/quote]

I think Club's are often insured in these instances, aren't they? Going back a bit and my memory is sketchy here, I seem to recall such insurance being mentioned around the time either Matt Hewlett or Brian McGlinchey were with us.

[quote="Gullscorer"]Are players insured against injury..??[/quote]

I think but don't know and can't be arsed to Google that their registration with the FA and membership of the PFA carries with it an insurance. I might have the details completely wrong. In fact, **** it, I'll ask some players on Twitter and see what they say.

Matt.

[quote="ferrarilover"]He'll earn nothing if he leaves. He's not good enough to earn a contract elsewhere with a long term injury to overcome and a fee attached. If he stays here, he gets board and lodging and a modest "injured reserve" salary of a couple of hundred quid a week until he's fit. That'll be more than enough to keep him in silly haircuts and Godforsaken Nando's chicken "meals" while he sits in his pants watching Homes Under the Hammer for a living.

Once he's back fit and ready to go, he might just be the player we always dreamed he could be. If he's not, if his injury has cost him and what pace and trickery he had have deserted him, then it's a simple enough task to cut him adrift with our thanks for his best efforts.

Matt.[/quote]

I think that's best, run the risk of him then leaving for free at the end of next season if he puts in the performances

But the idea above is the lesser of the 2 , but can we afford it?

[quote="ferrarilover"]He'll earn nothing if he leaves. He's not good enough to earn a contract elsewhere with a long term injury to overcome and a fee attached. If he stays here, he gets board and lodging and a modest "injured reserve" salary of a couple of hundred quid a week until he's fit. That'll be more than enough to keep him in silly haircuts and Godforsaken Nando's chicken "meals" while he sits in his pants watching Homes Under the Hammer for a living.

Once he's back fit and ready to go, he might just be the player we always dreamed he could be. If he's not, if his injury has cost him and what pace and trickery he had have deserted him, then it's a simple enough task to cut him adrift with our thanks for his best efforts.

Matt.[/quote]

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Are players insured against injury..??

He'll earn nothing if he leaves. He's not good enough to earn a contract elsewhere with a long term injury to overcome and a fee attached. If he stays here, he gets board and lodging and a modest "injured reserve" salary of a couple of hundred quid a week until he's fit. That'll be more than enough to keep him in silly haircuts and Godforsaken Nando's chicken "meals" while he sits in his pants watching Homes Under the Hammer for a living.

Once he's back fit and ready to go, he might just be the player we always dreamed he could be. If he's not, if his injury has cost him and what pace and trickery he had have deserted him, then it's a simple enough task to cut him adrift with our thanks for his best efforts.

Matt.

[quote="Gulliball"]With the cutbacks we will have to make we simply can't afford to be paying someone (let alone one of our higher earners) not to be playing.

We could offer him the opportunity to do his rehab here if he is settled with a view to offering him something when he returns to fitness, but it is awful timing for him when his next move was being planned.[/quote]

You would think so............................. :whistle:

You would think it is almost impossible now for us to offer him a contract if he is unlikely to play until well into 2015. With the cutbacks we will have to make we simply can't afford to be paying someone (let alone one of our higher earners) not to be playing.

We could offer him the opportunity to do his rehab here if he is settled with a view to offering him something when he returns to fitness, but it is awful timing for him when his next move was being planned.

If it is more likely to be 9 months then I have a great deal of sympathy with Billy but we have little choice but to release him when his contract expires. I think when fans are finding it hard to part with money to pay for season tickets due to both the economic climate and the perceived way in which money has been frivolously wasted already such as Hawley's wages etc then it would be a kick in the teeth to chuck it back in their faces and sign a player who could be out for much of next season who has done nothing for us for 2 years.

If it's likely to be 6 months or less then like I've said in an earlier post, offer him a one year deal to prove himself but we surely cannot be seriously considering Bodin if Richinns comment turns out to be true can we?!!

I also wish him a speedy recovery but longer than 6 months and it would be madness.