Managers Sacked

[TeenageGull]

[quote="hector"]

Another fact, for you is that we finished nearer the relegation zone after he came, than when he got here.


Did you really just say that?

[supergulls]

There's more to a manager than results and overall he's doing alright in most areas. We aren't anything like one of the two worst sides in the division, so talk of relegation is ill founded. It's unfortunate that we keep losing key people at key times, but those things will pass and we will have a period of stability in selection. With this, we'll see improvement in performances and results. We have players to come in and they will add further to the good options we already have established.
Those opposed to Knilly will always be opposed to Knilly, so keep dragging over his past record (which is perfectly fine when examined, as shown above) is pointless.

Matt.

I'm sorry to disagree Matt but he had a period of stability in the first 10 games of this season where he never changed his personnel or the formation and we only won 1 game.

[Sunnysideup]

Well, let's just make excuses and ignore the very salient fact that he is not doing a very good job for TUFC. And while you are at it, get your own facts right. Knill was appointed at the beginning of March on the basis of his 'contacts' and we finished the season without a single new player and we nearly got relegated.

Another fact, for you is that we finished nearer the relegation zone after he came, than when he got here.

Look at his win % at all of his clubs, not just ours and it is dismal. Use his ONE good season at Bury to smokescreen the rest of his dismal seasons everywhere else, if you like.

Even John Sheridan had a couple of good seasons but I doubt we would want him as manager - neither, would it seem, do Plymouth fans. Ultimately, it is what is happening now.

You were harping on about his previous record. I pointed out he was appointed manager at Scunnie on 31st March. Whats incorrect about that?

The three seasons he was at Bury after keeping them up, they finished 4th, 9th and he moved on to Scunthorpe with them in the playoffs. Is that just one good season?

Moving on to last season, just how many points had we garnered over the previous dozen games prior to his arrival? A whole 6 points no less, having just lost 7 out of 9. That is, without doubt, relegation form. To come into a team in that form and manage to keep them up is no mean feat, and the same as Rotherham and Bury when he arrived there.
Yes this seasons results are not what we would like, but changing a team and the way they play takes time.

[wodger of awabia]

There's more to a manager than results and overall he's doing alright in most areas. We aren't anything like one of the two worst sides in the division, so talk of relegation is ill founded. It's unfortunate that we keep losing key people at key times, but those things will pass and we will have a period of stability in selection. With this, we'll see improvement in performances and results. We have players to come in and they will add further to the good options we already have established.
Those opposed to Knilly will always be opposed to Knilly, so keep dragging over his past record (which is perfectly fine when examined, as shown above) is pointless.

Matt.

After the matches against fellow bottom of the table teams ( Bury, Accy, & Argyle ) next month, you won't need to mention this again, as we will know by then if you are right.

[brucie]

Talk of relegation isn't ill founded as we have 10 points from 12 games. If that is repeated over the rest of the season we will be relegated. We have two desperately hard games this week. In all likelyhood we will probably have 10 points from 14 games come saturday night.
We have played some poor sides recently with the likes of York,Mansfield etc - and we are not winning
Personnel wise we probably are not one of the worst two sides in the division but that isn't going to matter if we don't start winning soon.

[ferrarilover]

Well, let's just make excuses and ignore the very salient fact that he is not doing a very good job for TUFC. And while you are at it, get your own facts right. Knill was appointed at the beginning of March on the basis of his 'contacts' and we finished the season without a single new player and we nearly got relegated.

Another fact, for you is that we finished nearer the relegation zone after he came, than when he got here.

Look at his win % at all of his clubs, not just ours and it is dismal. Use his ONE good season at Bury to smokescreen the rest of his dismal seasons everywhere else, if you like.

Even John Sheridan had a couple of good seasons but I doubt we would want him as manager - neither, would it seem, do Plymouth fans. Ultimately, it is what is happening now.

Yeah, that Knill, I mean, it's almost as if the transfer window was designed specifically to hinder him.

This is absolutely the best thing ever posted online ever. Incredible scenes.

**** me, I thought you were stupid, as it turns out, you're a comedy genius, I'll be laughing at this all day. Brilliant.

Matt.

[Dave]

Well, let's just make excuses and ignore the very salient fact that he is not doing a very good job for TUFC. And while you are at it, get your own facts right. Knill was appointed at the beginning of March on the basis of his 'contacts' and we finished the season without a single new player and we nearly got relegated.

Another fact, for you is that we finished nearer the relegation zone after he came, than when he got here.

Look at his win % at all of his clubs, not just ours and it is dismal. Use his ONE good season at Bury to smokescreen the rest of his dismal seasons everywhere else, if you like.

Even John Sheridan had a couple of good seasons but I doubt we would want him as manager - neither, would it seem, do Plymouth fans. Ultimately, it is what is happening now.

How do you make talking nonsense look so easy, Alan Knill's first game was actually Feb 23rd , and when you say we finished the season with out a single new player, the key facts are , AK started on Feb 23rd, the January transfer window, err, let me think, does it not end in January, the clue could be in the name.

When you say we finished closer to the relegation, yep your right, 5pts when he started 2pts come the end, but that's a ridiculous stat, when AK took over we were on run 5 straight defeats, it's all about current form, we picked 7 pts from the last 9 that's what kept us up.

If you want to go down that road, Dagenham were 15th 9pts clear of the drop zone and finished below us 1 pt clear, Accrington and Wimbledon were in the relegation zone when AK took over both stayed up, and I remember you were lauding what a great job Andy Scott was doing in reviving Aldershot and they went down.

See current form dear boy.

[gullintwoplaces]

Spot on Forever. Hector has a very loose grasp of the word "fact", confusing it with "prejudice" constantly.

[hector]

How do you make talking nonsense look so easy, Alan Knill's first game was actually Feb 23rd , and when you say we finished the season with out a single new player, the key facts are , AK started on Feb 23rd, the January transfer window, err, let me think, does it not end in January, the clue could be in the name.

When you say we finished closer to the relegation, yep your right, 5pts when he started 2pts come the end, but that's a ridiculous stat, when AK took over we were on run 5 straight defeats, it's all about current form, we picked 7 pts from the last 9 that's what kept us up.

If you want to go down that road, Dagenham were 15th 9pts clear of the drop zone and finished below us 1 pt clear, Accrington and Wimbledon were in the relegation zone when AK took over both stayed up, and I remember you were lauding what a great job Andy Scott was doing in reviving Aldershot and they went down.

See current form dear boy.

The loan window was open and a big thing was made of him signing players from Man United and Everton. The board said they would back him bringing in new players. Look it up, if you have forgotten this.

The laugh is there are people on here desperately defending a manager who is clearly not doing a very good job.

The utter irony of your post is that you say 'it is all about current form'.

Indeed it is. You are correct. And look where our 'current form' has at the moment. Use an argument to say how will Knill did, well then you cannot argue against it to say the opposite now.

[hector]

Not sure I ever mentioned Andy Scott at Aldershot. Find me the quote where I say it and I will happily agree.

[Southampton Gull]

Not sure I ever mentioned Andy Scott at Aldershot. Find me the quote where I say it and I will happily agree.

And so the village idiot, known for attributing comments to users that they never made is now taking exception to the very same thing.....................

[hector]

And so the village idiot, known for attributing comments to users that they never made is now taking exception to the very same thing.....................

I think the forum bully is mistaken.

[Southampton Gull]

Hahahaha, I think you're getting a little desperate, Steven. Your tiresome crusade against all things TUFC is there for all to see. If being proved wrong time and time again leaves you feeling bullied then maybe you should give the internet a rest for a wee while.

[Dave]

The loan window was open and a big thing was made of him signing players from Man United and Everton. The board said they would back him bringing in new players. Look it up, if you have forgotten this.

The laugh is there are people on here desperately defending a manager who is clearly not doing a very good job.

The utter irony of your post is that you say 'it is all about current form'.

Indeed it is. You are correct. And look where our 'current form' has at the moment. Use an argument to say how will Knill did, well then you cannot argue against it to say the opposite now.

Erm, no. You said AK took us closer to relegation, the point was, current form when Alan Knill arrived at the club was 1 win followed by 5 straight defeats, the club was going to be relegated regardless if the club appointed AK or not, current form improved under AK and we stayed up. Or are really going to suggest the team would have pulled further clear of relegation with Taylor in charge, do us a favour, this was the guy who left Benyon on the bench, brought on an unfit Ian Morris and lost to the team who finished bottom of the league.

No irony either, because I have not once said our result and current form is exceptable , in fact far from it, our current results are far from where they need to be. What I am on about is we less than a 3rd of the way through the season, and want the club to potentially bust it self sacking the manager, when he has time to turn it around.

[Dave]

Oop's sorry forgot to say, didn't AK bring Joss Labadie on loan who scored 4 goals in 7 games worth how many pts . Didn't also restore Benyon to side who scored 3 goals worth how many pts, and didn't also restore Jarvis to the side who scored the winner against York., all 3 reasons why we stayed in League.