Hope or no hope?

[gullno4]

I don't understand a lot of you? one minute you're saying start the players that will be here next season in the conference, ie danny Stevens, because let's face it he will be here next season! then the next minute you're berating Hargreaves for choosing him over the other options, who highly likely will not be here next season? atleast have some consistency, you people will just look for anything to moan at?

[diamondgirl]

I think we would be better off (Assuming that we win) if the cobblers beat Wycombe. We still have WW to play, so, obviously, its a result we can inluence.

[AustrianAndyGull]

What happens when you go to watch Bristol City every week then Burnham and they churn out relentless shite for two years? Go and see if Swindon Town have any ST offers going and go there? =D

I can't complement you enough for not wanting to part with any more cash to watch a club littered with weakness and ambivalence, I feel the same from top to bottom - we are a bunch of amateurs, however, you can't be a supporter should you go and watch another club on a regular basis instead of the club you 'support'.

I guess you feel like you have been taken for granted and given zero information or been not been able to familiarise yourself and relate to any of the people running the club due to the simple fact that no **** ever communicates with the fans. I feel that way too Burnham and now I can sort of understand why the lure of Ashton Gate appeals more than the barren, gulag-esque dead space of Plainmoor with it's silent corridors and secretive members.

[AustrianAndyGull]

Thea is the only good thing that I can see behind the scenes. A fan thrust into a room with a load of doddering old farts wanting to do the right thing by the club and slowly getting found guilty by association. If she walked out now then I'd have to give her a standing ovation and offer my gratitude for giving up her own time, money and energy in order to help this club move forward. Sadly it appears that trusting so called professionals to do their jobs properly has cost her big time and I just hope she finds the right time to get out while she still can to enjoy her life and what is left of her money. Why can't people like Knill, our players, a lot of the board take some **** responsibility for being shit at their jobs and do the decent thing now and again?!! Everybody is so greedy and they want to get paid for failing and then not having the bollocks to admit they just aren't up to it. Makes me sick.

Go and take a round the world cruise Thea and sod everyone else. You deserve it.

[AustrianAndyGull]

Oh sorry, failed to answer the o/p. No hope obviously.

[tomogull]

Thea is the only good thing that I can see behind the scenes. A fan thrust into a room with a load of doddering old farts wanting to do the right thing by the club and slowly getting found guilty by association. If she walked out now then I'd have to give her a standing ovation and offer my gratitude for giving up her own time, money and energy in order to help this club move forward. Sadly it appears that trusting so called professionals to do their jobs properly has cost her big time and I just hope she finds the right time to get out while she still can to enjoy her life and what is left of her money. Why can't people like Knill, our players, a lot of the board take some f**king responsibility for being sh*t at their jobs and do the decent thing now and again?!! Everybody is so greedy and they want to get paid for failing and then not having the bollocks to admit they just aren't up to it. Makes me sick.

Go and take a round the world cruise Thea and sod everyone else. You deserve it.

Have to take issue with you on this one, Andy ..... and I'll probably have to take a lot of flak from other posters for doing so !! The thing is - IF the club was doing well, we'd be on here saying what a good job the Board was doing. The Board members no doubt love the club as much as we do - more so probably, cos they're prepared to roll up their sleeves to manage the beast that is Torquay United. I'm bliddy certain they're not there for any personal financial gain ! I don't know any of the Board members personally. Alex Rowe was the leader of the consortium that took over from Roberts, Simon Baker is an out and out Gulls fanatic, the two sons of former (very successful) chairman, Tony Boyce, are on the Board I believe, Ian Hayman has been on the Board for many years and oversees the club's finances (what a bitch of a job that must be). Then there's Bill Phillips. He gets quite a bit of stick from some Forum posters but nobody seems to be prepared to say why he is so disliked. We say they should have done this, or should have done that, and yes - no doubt mistakes have been made along the way. But hindsight is such a wonderful thing .....

It has been said that there is nobody on the Board with football experience which is fair comment, but isn't that the case at most clubs? My perception is that the Board is lacking a real leader. Simon Baker wasn't cut out for the job of chairman and I suspect Thea didn't really want the job but fell into it because nobody else would grasp the nettle. Right - I've had my say and now I'll put on my bullet proof vest and sit back and wait for the bullets to come my way !! Good to have you back on here, Andy, stirring us up again !!

[hector]

Have to take issue with you on this one, Andy ..... and I'll probably have to take a lot of flak from other posters for doing so !! The thing is - IF the club was doing well, we'd be on here saying what a good job the Board was doing. The Board members no doubt love the club as much as we do - more so probably, cos they're prepared to roll up their sleeves to manage the beast that is Torquay United. I'm bliddy certain they're not there for any personal financial gain ! I don't know any of the Board members personally. Alex Rowe was the leader of the consortium that took over from Roberts, Simon Baker is an out and out Gulls fanatic, the two sons of former (very successful) chairman, Tony Boyce, are on the Board I believe, Ian Hayman has been on the Board for many years and oversees the club's finances (what a bitch of a job that must be). Then there's Bill Phillips. He gets quite a bit of stick from some Forum posters but nobody seems to be prepared to say why he is so disliked. We say they should have done this, or should have done that, and yes - no doubt mistakes have been made along the way. But hindsight is such a wonderful thing .....

It has been said that there is nobody on the Board with football experience which is fair comment, but isn't that the case at most clubs? My perception is that the Board is lacking a real leader. Simon Baker wasn't cut out for the job of chairman and I suspect Thea didn't really want the job but fell into it because nobody else would grasp the nettle. Right - I've had my say and now I'll put on my bullet proof vest and sit back and wait for the bullets to come my way !! Good to have you back on here, Andy, stirring us up again !!

That's how I see it also. They have cocked up with their selection of managers but I feel that they are a group of people who have done their best. There is much, much more they could be doing to promote the club but on the whole, I think the consortium, and Thea in particular, have done a decent job. It has just been decisions over managers that have cost us and hopefully they will learn from this.

[AustrianAndyGull]

That is the key point for me Hector when you say that there is much much more some could be doing to promote the club and make imrpovements. Thea has brought in her cash but is not a football person so totally understandable but what about those who claim to be 'football people' and 'football administrators' who haven't put anything in to the club in terms of their own cash? These people need to be earning their existence and if they are then I'd like to be told how? That's all really.

We need somebody in the shadows with dynamism, character, strength, ideas, an appreciation of fans and a willingness to communicate and get all the fans closer to the club once more instead of making fans feel so bloody alienated from it. I feel that if a stronger sense of togetherness was nurtured from the top down to the bottom then despite our horrendous run of form these past two years I still reckon ST uptake and the way people viewed next season would be much more favourable. As it is it just feels like we've been left to fight amongst ourselves amidst our demise. Leadership. None from the board, none from the managers we've had and none from the players so where are us fans supposed to seek reassurance and information?

We have no leaders at the club and haven't for a while now IMO.

[AustrianAndyGull]

I don't know the ins and outs of the finances but what state would the club be in now if Thea hadn't have come on board?

[DTG]

That's how I see it also. They have cocked up with their selection of managers but I feel that they are a group of people who have done their best. There is much, much more they could be doing to promote the club but on the whole, I think the consortium, and Thea in particular, have done a decent job. It has just been decisions over managers that have cost us and hopefully they will learn from this.

Hector (Steve) we agree on a lot of things TUFC but this is tongue in cheek, right? On what scale are you measuring "have done a decent job" or "group of people who have done their best" ?? On what level of feckup would you like me to start? The incompetent man management, the completely inept communication, the inability to spend money where it's needed to minimise potential problems, recognising potential problems, non existant PR, absolutely zero CRM, the Marketing skills of Gerald Ratner on a particularly gaff prone day, adminstration procedures that alienate fans, lack of balls to stand up to the local hi-viz H&S stazi costing the club tens of thousands of pounds in revenue (is the Easter Monday game all ticket?), throwing money at white elephants (seale hayne), promoting beyong their skill set (Baker), putting an egotistical feckwit in charge (Phillips), not using recognised HR procedures and Employment criteria, building a new Grandstand that can never be used to capacity when it will be needed most and creating havoc with the playing surface in the process..............can I stop now?

Thea (god bless her) should never be anywhere near the front line but the bunch of gutless fools giving advice find her the perfect "sofa" to hide behind. This club is a shambles and the sooner it is recognised the sooner something can be done about it.

[gullno4]

tomogull:
"IF the club was doing well, we'd be on here saying what a good job the Board was doing."

if my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle!

[SuperNickyWroe]

Hector (Steve) we agree on a lot of things TUFC but this is tongue in cheek, right? On what scale are you measuring "have done a decent job" or "group of people who have done their best" ?? On what level of feckup would you like me to start? The incompetent man management, the completely inept communication, the inability to spend money where it's needed to minimise potential problems, recognising potential problems, non existant PR, absolutely zero CRM, the Marketing skills of Gerald Ratner on a particularly gaff prone day, adminstration procedures that alienate fans, lack of balls to stand up to the local hi-viz H&S stazi costing the club tens of thousands of pounds in revenue (is the Easter Monday game all ticket?), throwing money at white elephants (seale hayne), promoting beyong their skill set (Baker), putting an egotistical feckwit in charge (Phillips), not using recognised HR procedures and Employment criteria, building a new Grandstand that can never be used to capacity when it will be needed most and creating havoc with the playing surface in the process..............can I stop now?

Thea (god bless her) should never be anywhere near the front line but the bunch of gutless fools giving advice find her the perfect "sofa" to hide behind. This club is a shambles and the sooner it is recognised the sooner something can be done about it.

[SuperNickyWroe]

Hector (Steve) we agree on a lot of things TUFC but this is tongue in cheek, right? On what scale are you measuring "have done a decent job" or "group of people who have done their best" ?? On what level of feckup would you like me to start? The incompetent man management, the completely inept communication, the inability to spend money where it's needed to minimise potential problems, recognising potential problems, non existant PR, absolutely zero CRM, the Marketing skills of Gerald Ratner on a particularly gaff prone day, adminstration procedures that alienate fans, lack of balls to stand up to the local hi-viz H&S stazi costing the club tens of thousands of pounds in revenue (is the Easter Monday game all ticket?), throwing money at white elephants (seale hayne), promoting beyong their skill set (Baker), putting an egotistical feckwit in charge (Phillips), not using recognised HR procedures and Employment criteria, building a new Grandstand that can never be used to capacity when it will be needed most and creating havoc with the playing surface in the process..............can I stop now?

Thea (god bless her) should never be anywhere near the front line but the bunch of gutless fools giving advice find her the perfect "sofa" to hide behind. This club is a shambles and the sooner it is recognised the sooner something can be done about it.

when I win the lottery, and buy the club, im going to offer you a job.

[standupsitdown]

Three times in the last few weeks we've won games to give a ray of hope.
Each time we've followed the win with one or more defeats - not even draws.
This time it's all over.
At least it will save me train fares to Exeter, Mansfield & Torquay.

[DTG]

when I win the lottery, and buy the club, im going to offer you a job.

SNW you couldn't afford me mate! I offered my services free to the club but Baker and Phillips knew better.........**** idiots. Now, no way.................