AustrianAndyGull wrote:Yes but we aren't talking about someone without savings (presumably he has some as he has had decent jobs in the past) nor are we talking about someone on £6.50 an hour who has been made redundant from a factory packing chocolate. We are talking someone who has lost his job because HE has not done it properly. It's nobody else's fault. He has made himself lose his own job. On top of that he gets a pay off unlike the minimum wage worker with a family dependant on that wage for a roof and food.
Nobody should be sorry he's out of work apart from his family who I'm sure won't go hungry and cold for the foreseeable. I find it all bit odd. Why would we say thanks for what he (hasn't) done, equally as bizarre.
Andy, me old mucker, I hear what your saying.
Yes, he's probably flush and not short of a few bob. Yes, he has failed this season, but I would like to think that whilst he has been Manager of Torquay United he has given the job 100% and that is all anyone can ask. We can all agree that despite giving 100%, it still wasn't good enough to progress the team this season or get us up the table. It is for this reason that he has lost his job today and is the reason why I wish him all the best for the future.
Yep, you have only to look at Alan Knill's team which lost to Plymouth yesterday compared with Martin Ling's team which played Argyle last season. That's the measure of our decline. And it's not as if we don't have the players who could make a team to match last season's. Knill may have done his best to achieve that, but the results speak for themselves, and so he had to go. However, I'm sure we all wish him better success in his next job.
gullno4 wrote:good luck alan! thanks for keeping us up!
Steve (oil beef hooked) that makes sense I guess although I would debate whether he gave us 100% but it makes sense.
Strangely enough it was Pope Gregory the 9th inviting me for drinks aboard his steam yacht, the saucy sue currently wintering in montego bay with the England cricket team and the Balanese Goddess of plenty.
dannyrvtufc4life wrote:
Knill came to the club after we lost every single game in February. I'm not saying it was perfect, but it was better and meant that we are playing football league football this season, he deserves credit for keeping us up. Having said that, this season he has been a clueless idiot and deserved the sack.
Dan he won 3 games since 20th February 2013 our form was terrible it was more to do with other teams slipping up than Alan's brilliant managerial skills that kept us up. The alarm bells should have been ringing then but in the euphoria of staying up the board got carried away and appointed alan. In retrospect the situation should have been reviewed at the end of the season and the best candidate available should have been appointed. What went on this season was continuity from last year. 5 wins from 27 matches confirmed what you said he deserved the sack.
I never subscribed to the theory that Alan Knill 'kept us up' last season. He didn't. We were nearer relegation when he finished than when he started. Plus, the only reason we stayed up was because Barnet and Aldershot did worse.
To me, it always felt like it would be a short-lived appointment as TUFC and Alan Knill just did not seem to suit. I do not wish the bloke any ill-will but I would imagine that his Football League managerial career is finished because he has been nothing short of disastrous since he left Bury to join Scunthorpe.
His best bet is being a coach or someone's number two. He is - apparently - a hands-on coach but he is not very good as the number one. His interview on the radio yesterday was alarming and I am just so relieved that the club have finally seen sense and no longer listened to the small minority who thought themselves somehow superior with their self-proclaimed 'reasoning' that it would be folly to sack Knill.
hector wrote:I never subscribed to the theory that Alan Knill 'kept us up' last season. He didn't. We were nearer relegation when he finished than when he started. Plus, the only reason we stayed up was because Barnet and Aldershot did worse.
To me, it always felt like it would be a short-lived appointment as TUFC and Alan Knill just did not seem to suit. I do not wish the bloke any ill-will but I would imagine that his Football League managerial career is finished because he has been nothing short of disastrous since he left Bury to join scunthorpe.
His best bet is being a coach or someone's number two. He is - apparently - a hands-on coach but he is not very good as the number one. His interview on the radio yesterday was alarming and I am just so relieved that the club have finally seen sense and no longer listened to the small minority who thought themselves somehow superior with their self-proclaimed 'reasoning' that it would be folly to sack Knill.
Come on hector fair's fair. If you blame Knill for taking us to the brink of the conference then surely you have to credit him for keeping us up last season? If he's the manager and to blame when things go wrong then he is to be credited when they go right. Ok so we didn't get the new manager lift that most clubs seem to get when a new guy comes in and that worried me yes as did the performances back end. They were still crap but Knill brought in Labadie, Knill was manager when we beat Morecambe up at their place and so we have to thank him immensely for keeping us up. That is only fair and reasonable.
It is what has happened THIS season that has led to his fully deserved criticism and dismissal.
Strangely enough it was Pope Gregory the 9th inviting me for drinks aboard his steam yacht, the saucy sue currently wintering in montego bay with the England cricket team and the Balanese Goddess of plenty.
AustrianAndyGull wrote:
Come on hector fair's fair. If you blame Knill for taking us to the brink of the conference then surely you have to credit him for keeping us up last season? If he's the manager and to blame when things go wrong then he is to be credited when they go right. Ok so we didn't get the new manager lift that most clubs seem to get when a new guy comes in and that worried me yes as did the performances back end. They were still crap but Knill brought in Labadie, Knill was manager when we beat Morecambe up at their place and so we have to thank him immensely for keeping us up. That is only fair and reasonable.
It is what has happened THIS season that has led to his fully deserved criticism and dismissal.
No I don't. Read back through the Ling's sacked thread and you will see that I said at the time, that I thought those cheering for Knill would be jeering pretty soon. I never rated him nor wanted him here. He won four games last season. His record last season wasn't particularly good and he did not have the impact that previous fire-fighters like Warnock, Lee and Atkins had when they came in. Knill always seemed a bit of a wet blanket. I think we stayed up in spite of him, not because of him.
That's fine Hector and I understand that but you have to give him thanks and some credit for keeping us up though even if you thought it was by default. It was a massive task and somehow he managed it. We can debate all day about why he did it but he did. Take your point and I do also see elements of that also but I feel it appropriate that I give him the credit for it on the whole. It was squeaky bum time it really was and the relief and the excitement I had over the summer was a great feeling, even if it only did last until the end of August.
Strangely enough it was Pope Gregory the 9th inviting me for drinks aboard his steam yacht, the saucy sue currently wintering in montego bay with the England cricket team and the Balanese Goddess of plenty.
It was like the Ling play off thing. We were mostly all bored rigid watching a lot of the games and the 1-0 nick it and hang on tactic worked well but on many occasions it was more luck than judgement. It was just one of those things and although I thought Ling overachieved and got lucky a lot I had to give him credit for what he had achieved even if I wasn't happy with the rubbish being churned out on the pitch. The problem with Ling's style is that once it stopped working he was always going to be in trouble with the fans because draws and losses playing turgid bullsh*t wasn't going to wash for long.
Strangely enough it was Pope Gregory the 9th inviting me for drinks aboard his steam yacht, the saucy sue currently wintering in montego bay with the England cricket team and the Balanese Goddess of plenty.
hector wrote:I never subscribed to the theory that Alan Knill 'kept us up' last season. He didn't. We were nearer relegation when he finished than when he started. Plus, the only reason we stayed up was because Barnet and Aldershot did worse.
To me, it always felt like it would be a short-lived appointment as TUFC and Alan Knill just did not seem to suit. I do not wish the bloke any ill-will but I would imagine that his Football League managerial career is finished because he has been nothing short of disastrous since he left Bury to join scunthorpe.
His best bet is being a coach or someone's number two. He is - apparently - a hands-on coach but he is not very good as the number one. His interview on the radio yesterday was alarming and I am just so relieved that the club have finally seen sense and no longer listened to the small minority who thought themselves somehow superior with their self-proclaimed 'reasoning' that it would be folly to sack Knill.
do you hate knill that much? are you ling?
if it wasnt Knill that kept us up, I would be delighted for you to tell me who it was.
have you forgot that we actually beat barnet.
I credit him for keeping us up.
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hector wrote:
No I don't. Read back through the Ling's sacked thread and you will see that I said at the time, that I thought those cheering for Knill would be jeering pretty soon. I never rated him nor wanted him here. He won four games last season. His record last season wasn't particularly good and he did not have the impact that previous fire-fighters like Warnock, Lee and Atkins had when they came in. Knill always seemed a bit of a wet blanket. I think we stayed up in spite of him, not because of him.
EXACTLY ! Our "staying up" last season was due to the start to the season we had under Ling and Barnets poor form at the end, it had nothing to do with what AK brought to the club. I wish him all the best but he brought nothing of advantage to TUFC whatsoever.
The fact he moved his wife down here, suggests he wanted to be here for the long term and not fail as Torquay manager. It just wasn't to be. I personally felt he was decent bloke, but his body language at Accrington was alarming. I bet the guy is devastated, he is in limbo but equally he has left the club in the same predicament, so he had to go.
supergulls wrote:Dan he won 3 games since 20th February 2013 our form was terrible it was more to do with other teams slipping up than Alan's brilliant managerial skills that kept us up. The alarm bells should have been ringing then but in the euphoria of staying up the board got carried away and appointed alan. In retrospect the situation should have been reviewed at the end of the season and the best candidate available should have been appointed. What went on this season was continuity from last year. 5 wins from 27 matches confirmed what you said he deserved the sack.
If you say that Knill is at fault for our disastrous form this season (which I'd agree with) then you've got to give the same guy credit for keeping us in the football league. I said in my earlier post, it wasn't perfect but it was much better at the time compared to the Lingy fiasco.
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