Just as they are still being beaten time and time again under your "proper management".merse btpir wrote: 31 Mar 2018, 21:20 I think this is where you hit the nail on the head of why a so called full-time club were beaten time and time again by part-time clubs under that regime......
Buckle was unpopular with a lot of the players just as he was with a lot of fans too.forevertufc wrote: 31 Mar 2018, 21:27 I nevet said it was my belief Bucks was unpopular with his players, I meant unpopular with fans. Merse you quoted the wrong person above :na:
..... not forgetting his ex wife! :whip:Southampton Gull wrote: 01 Apr 2018, 06:56 Buckle was unpopular with a lot of the players just as he was with a lot of fans too.
Got any tips for the National? You must be Mystic Meg or Merse from a parallel universe with your uncanny inability to predict an alternative future with such dogmatic certainty. Owers may or (more probably) may not prevent relegation but so far his record is pretty close to abysmal and the fact that he is still reliant upon so many players that were at the club before he became manager is indicative of how poor his selection of alternative replacements has generally been. It may be fair to criticise Nicholson for results that occurred during his tenure but he is not to blame for the record since his departure (after four matches - not seven) and there are several teams in the professional game across the country and locally whose results from their first seven matches were on a par to Torquay but who have produced some discernable improvement in their league position over the rest of the season e.g. Crystal Palace and Plymouth. Using what passes for logic in your rhetoric it would be equally valid to say that had Owers assembled the squad last summer we would not have done any better than 1 point against some pretty weak opposition in those first seven matches or,as you would say, "but if he had of been the outcome would have been the same ". Indeed it could be said that unless Torquay had managed to win all of the first three games that they lost they would still be in a relegation place. Admittedly the return (home) fixtures against the mighty Guiseley and Woking have yet to be played and victories in both matches are regarded as requirements in the battle against relegation but Owers only managed to get a draw in the game at Solihull - better than a defeat I grant you but not enormously "better than 1 point against some pretty weak opposition".brucie wrote: 01 Apr 2018, 10:22 Your obsession with defending Nicholson is bordering on the unhealthy.
Have a look at are first seven matches of the season 0-0 (against nine men) 2-3,0-3,2-4,2-3,1-2,1-4
Amongst those defeats we were beaten by the mighty Guiseley, Solihull and Woking (yes I know Nicholson wasn't in charge for three of these games but if he had of been the outcome would have been the same)
Nicholsons team was bloody diabolical. Useless. Clueless. Unfit - **** awful and half of these malingerers are still here, hardly kicking a ball in anger.
Look at Gosling - big reputation and has produced the sum total of bugger all. Apparently quite happy to run off to Gibralter as he is an international player but turn out at Chester for a relegation six pointer? Oh no he is ill or injured again.
Owers might be a useless manager - but I am damn sure that had he assembled the squad last summer we would have done better than 1 point against some pretty weak opposition and not conceding 19 goals in the process!
I lost a lot of time for bucks when he decided martin rice was a better goalie than Simon rayner. But then he brought in Michael Poke who was better than both of them.Southampton Gull wrote: 01 Apr 2018, 06:56 Buckle was unpopular with a lot of the players just as he was with a lot of fans too.
Spot on post. Owers has had more than enough time and more than enough players brought in during that time to have had the club sitting at least 5th bottom by now. Nico is long gone and so is his culpability for any of this.Arrywithnobrain wrote: 01 Apr 2018, 12:01 Got any tips for the National? You must be Mystic Meg or Merse from a parallel universe with your uncanny inability to predict an alternative future with such dogmatic certainty. Owers may or (more probably) may not prevent relegation but so far his record is pretty close to abysmal and the fact that he is still reliant upon so many players that were at the club before he became manager is indicative of how poor his selection of alternative replacements has generally been. It may be fair to criticise Nicholson for results that occurred during his tenure but he is not to blame for the record since his departure (after four matches - not seven) and there are several teams in the professional game across the country and locally whose results from their first seven matches were on a par to Torquay but who have produced some discernable improvement in their league position over the rest of the season e.g. Crystal Palace and Plymouth. Using what passes for logic in your rhetoric it would be equally valid to say that had Owers assembled the squad last summer we would not have done any better than 1 point against some pretty weak opposition in those first seven matches or,as you would say, "but if he had of been the outcome would have been the same ". Indeed it could be said that unless Torquay had managed to win all of the first three games that they lost they would still be in a relegation place. Admittedly the return (home) fixtures against the mighty Guiseley and Woking have yet to be played and victories in both matches are regarded as requirements in the battle against relegation but Owers only managed to get a draw in the game at Solihull - better than a defeat I grant you but not enormously "better than 1 point against some pretty weak opposition".
Nicholson is the past and no longer relevant; Owers is the present and unfortunately maybe the future. That is why Nicholson should be defended when morons blame him for the current predicament that Torquay Utd are in.
It is you who seems to have cornered the market for bovine manure. Owers has brought enough players to the club to be able to field two teams without using any of the players that he inherited (whether "unfit for purpose " or not) so the fact that more than half of his match day squad v Chester were at the club before him would suggest that Owers has been the most profligate with regard to wasting the budget on a "bunch of wasters". (Note for example that it was Owers who was generous/foolish enough to give a full-time contract to Reid: a player that Nicholson had bequeathed on-loan to Owers who now cannot hold down a place in the starting line-up.)brucie wrote: 01 Apr 2018, 15:23 That's just total bullshit though. Do you not think that Owers isn't hamstrung by still having several unfit for purpose players on the payroll who he clearly cannot get rid off because no one wants them.
How is Nicholson no longer culpable when he so criminally wasted the budget on a bunch of wasters. I mean this was the manager who went into the season with Pittman, Keating, Reid, Gray and Fallon as his forward line.
Whether Owers is as bad as you make out is open to debate but he has been operating with both hands tied beyond his back this season.
Porky, you are probably correct in your assumptions, but this is football ( not the best , I grant you ) & hind site is such a wonderful thing, so don't lose sleep on what's already gone this shitty season , our season starts V Woking on monday.Porky wrote: 01 Apr 2018, 17:12 Sorry to return to the debate on fitness and the "remarkable" transformation in fitness levels under peers and kuhl, but how many points have we lost under in the last ten minutes? My guess is we would be safe by now!
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