Managers Sacked

[supergulls]

It was 4-2-4 as Bodin did drop off to give an extra player but in the main it was still the same as the wide players stayed up, you are right it was different. Bodin was outstanding at times and maybe suited to this position.

We played 4-2-3-1 yesterday

[Sunnysideup]

Or, what on earth possessed the club to appoint him, bearing in mind the heavy weight of evidence that suggested he wasn't very good?

Evidence? Like failing to keep a L2 standard side in the Championship?

Or perhaps rebuilding a team like Bury into L2 promotion candidates?

[Sunnysideup]

Arcadia, you are entitled to your opinions, just out of interest, so far you have told us, you have had a raw deal as a pro player, and spent time as a manager, who did you play for and at what age ? What team have you managed ?

By the looks of it, something on the XBox or Playstation :B

[Southampton Gull]

Evidence? Like failing to keep a L2 standard side in the Championship?

Or perhaps rebuilding a team like Bury into L2 promotion candidates?

Facts that don't fit in with the village idiots agenda

[Dutchgull]

Arcadia, you are entitled to your opinions, just out of interest, so far you have told us, you have had a raw deal as a pro player, and spent time as a manager, who did you play for and at what age ? What team have you managed ?

Just to add as a general point, just heard Lee Clark's interview after the Leeds game, when asked about the system Birmingham had used, his reply was, systems, why are people so obsessed with systems, kick the ball right, head it right and defend. Now that's something I do agree with, said it many a time, there is no magical system, if there was everyone would use it, do the simple things right, and you will always have a chance of winning the game.

Well said !
Why make things so complicated ? Its football not rocket science. Keep it simple then maybe the players may understand what they are supposed to be doing !!

[hector]

Evidence? Like failing to keep a L2 standard side in the Championship?

Or perhaps rebuilding a team like Bury into L2 promotion candidates?

Who says they were L2 standard side? He took a team in the Championship to virtually League 2, is another way of looking at it. Which builds on his poor record at Rotherham and his poor record at Torquay - or do we pretend he is doing a good job here?

[hector]

Facts that don't fit in with the village idiots agenda

I think you are the village idiot here. Look at the facts. Look at our league position. Look at the facts concerning how often we have won. Look at the facts that demonstrate the amount of games we have lost, our woeful goal difference, our ineffective team...

Consider all of those facts and then declare, in utter idiocy, no doubt, that our manager is doing a good job.

[wodger of awabia]

Well I was quite sure that we would beat Mansfield, & a draw at home against Portsmouth would have given us 4 points out of a possible 15 during October, this would most likely have just kept Knill in a job. I still think that we will draw against Portsmouth, but don't expect any points from Tuesdays game at Burton, Billy Kee is back from suspension, & Howe only made the bench on Saturday. If these predictions are correct then we will have only received 2 points out of 15 in October, & IMO the board will have to say Ta Ta to Knill. They may decide to give him another 2 matches to turn it around, but the smart chairmen have already got rid of their crap managers in order to give their new bloke 30+ matches to sort it out. It is no good saying there is no money, I expect that this is the case with most clubs, the gamble is dropping into the Conference, & losing £400K to £500K in L2 handouts, & reasonable away support gate money, & that is each year, & not a one off loss. The board have made two excellent managerial signings, Buckle ( I think that it was Colin Lee that advised them to sign the arrogant little tw#t ), & Ling, but Knill has not been a success, & is a very poor manager IMO. I would like to see them plead with Neil Warnock to come out of retirement for a few months & get us out of the sh#t, I believe that Warnock has a soft spot for TUFC ( & Argyle ).Once we are safe he should be given the task of appointing the new permanent manager, & possibly acting as a consultant for a short time.

[Burnhamgull]

I would like to see them plead with Neil Warnock to come out of retirement for a few months & get us out of the sh#t, I believe that Warnock has a soft spot for TUFC ( & Argyle ).Once we are safe he should be given the task of appointing the new permanent manager, & possibly acting as a consultant for a short time.

I'm not totally against Knill but I'm losing patience very fast especially as I see zero return from our next two games (I'll be at both).
I like this idea though, Warnock would love a short term job to test himself again and has always had a soft spot for us and Argyle. We need to act fast before Argyle have a chat. He was at Home Park last Saturday for the Pompey game so talks may have even begun.

Tuesday night is made for a 0-2 loss with Howe and Kee scoring. Pompey will bring a big crowd next week and turn the Graveyard into Fratton Park for two hours. Therefore guaranteeing 3 points.

[Sunnysideup]

Who says they were L2 standard side? He took a team in the Championship to virtually League 2, is another way of looking at it. Which builds on his poor record at Rotherham and his poor record at Torquay - or do we pretend he is doing a good job here?

You really do make yourself look a total tw@t.

Perhaps you could tell us how a manager is supposed to make any changes, when appointed to a team on the 31st Mar that are already in a relegation slot?
Or the fact that Scunnie were clear of the drop last season after he left but couldnt buy a result in March or April which is what led to relegation?
Im sure its down to him that Rotherham went into administration two seasons running as well. Strange he managed to keep them up the first time despite a points deduction. Shame he had his best two players sold the next seasaon for money to pay creditors and another 10 point deduction as well.

Totally ignore Bury as well where he went to a club staring at the Conference and turned them into promotion candidates after 2 and a bit seasons (not 3 months of games).

[wodger of awabia]

There is very little mileage to be had in debating Knills previous managerial record IMO. Judge him on what he has achieved at our club. If you are happy with his results then say so, & perhaps explain why you are happy.

[ferrarilover]

There's more to a manager than results and overall he's doing alright in most areas. We aren't anything like one of the two worst sides in the division, so talk of relegation is ill founded. It's unfortunate that we keep losing key people at key times, but those things will pass and we will have a period of stability in selection. With this, we'll see improvement in performances and results. We have players to come in and they will add further to the good options we already have established.
Those opposed to Knilly will always be opposed to Knilly, so keep dragging over his past record (which is perfectly fine when examined, as shown above) is pointless.

Matt.

[Scott Brehaut]

With the greatest of respect, a manager should, and must, be judged by results.
I keep going on about this but I'll say it again as I've not mentioned it for a week or so, playing nice football and losing gets zero points, having great players and losing gets zero points. Having players waiting on the sidelines and still losing means zero points.

We may not be anything like the two worst sides in the league, but we are close (unless the table is wrong) - personally ( and I stress that I have nothing against Knill as a person), the one thing I want Knill to be able to do is get the team winning....he isn't doing that at the moment, and doesn't look like doing that anytime soon if what I've heard (from people in the know) and seen (albeit highlights on Sky Sports website) is correct.

I want the guy to succeed because he is managing Torquay, the club I support and have spent vast amounts of money on watching through the years ( not as much as some, but enough!!), but based on the evidence I don't think he will.

I think Matt that you are also slowly starting to realise this - your posts have started to change from being sickeningly optimistic to less so. I'm not saying you hate the guy, but that doubts are creeping in. When that happens to somebody as optimistic as you, that is a worry to me!!

[Southampton Gull]

I think you are the village idiot here. Look at the facts. Look at our league position. Look at the facts concerning how often we have won. Look at the facts that demonstrate the amount of games we have lost, our woeful goal difference, our ineffective team...

Consider all of those facts and then declare, in utter idiocy, no doubt, that our manager is doing a good job.

I'm not interested in who you think is an idiot, you prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt almost every time you post. I've never said he's doing a good or a bad job, the point that seems lost on fools like you is that we are not in a position whereby we can just sack a manager in such a short space of time. Thankfully the Board don't feel the necessity to act on the foolish notions of idiots like yourself.

[hector]

Well, let's just make excuses and ignore the very salient fact that he is not doing a very good job for TUFC. And while you are at it, get your own facts right. Knill was appointed at the beginning of March on the basis of his 'contacts' and we finished the season without a single new player and we nearly got relegated.

Another fact, for you is that we finished nearer the relegation zone after he came, than when he got here.

Look at his win % at all of his clubs, not just ours and it is dismal. Use his ONE good season at Bury to smokescreen the rest of his dismal seasons everywhere else, if you like.

Even John Sheridan had a couple of good seasons but I doubt we would want him as manager - neither, would it seem, do Plymouth fans. Ultimately, it is what is happening now.