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Glostergull wrote:BBC live scores again up the spout. we had 30 points.. so go in the lead and are awarded 2 points. please tell me BBC where in the rules you can be awarded 2 points. Duhhh
Thought i had better check on the table via our own web site and found we only had 29 points. yet BBC had us on 30 points.. they obviously didn't start off correctly in the first place..OK Guys. i can see what you all mean.. they are useless!

It's a live table. I'm pretty sure the rules say when you draw, you're awarded a point. We were drawing, then we were winning
Not useless at all.

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Nick wrote: Haha. I try to avoid this place now because there is so much bollocks spouted on here - but I think this takes it to a new level. And is it a shock who's written it? No.

Make sure to let us know what team you randomly pick off the FL list and start supporting next season!

Just clocked the 5 year part, which explains a lot.

I would have loved to have seen the post generated if around for the darkest Batson days. When we has a stadium manager... Having a board twice sack mansgers, build a training ground and invest in playing & coaching staff, is worlds away from what most of us are used to.

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AustrianAndyGull wrote:It doesn't matter. Lowering ticket prices is the RIGHT thing to do on behalf of it's customers given all the circumstances. I don't care if it doesn't work or the business model is flawed or this, that and t'other. It is the decent and right thing to do by the fans and therefore should be done as a mark or respect.

If it proves detrimental to the playing side of things next season then so be it. We were sh*t this season too although we paid more to see it.

It's about doing what is right and fair regardless of consequences.

That is utter garbage.

Let's put it info perspective. Woking FC are probably the most similar club to what you're suggesting. Similar catchment pool to us, albeit with more competition.

Their tickets cost £15, and they probably get about 1800 on average.
Woking are a part time club, who rent out their ground to Hayes for extra revenue. The manager works purely for expenses. They don't have a YTS set up or evening own the training ground. The players, of course are on part time wages.

They'll forever be a conference south / lowered conf prem level. Yet it still costs the fans £15.

The ONLY way Torquay could afford to lower ticket prices and not hit the wall is to go part time, close the YTS and training grounds and commit ourselves to the conference at best. At that point, I imagine you'll moan at the standard of football (part time will be poor) and lack of ambition. You'll then moan at £15 and the vicious cycle continues.

Torbay is hardly full of jobs as it is. With our job market, what is the standard of part time players do you think we can attract?!

The clubs only duty is to ensure we have a structure and playing budget to make us competitive. The ticket pricing structure combined with forecasted uptake combines to build that.

Whatever route, youll always find something to be discontent with. Every January, woking have to hold 'boost the budget' collections to survive. What would your reaction be to being asked to donate about the £15 ticket price to watch a team of plumbers and shelf-stackers?

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AustrianAndyGull wrote:Who f**king cares anyway? They don't.

All I know is that we are now a non league club and yet we are still paying the same ticket prices as last year.

Whether we can afford it or not - ticket prices have to be reduced. It is the fair and decent thing to do.

Whether you are a businessman or a clown in a suit on the board - it is the fair and decent thing to do.

Either plug the gap with your own cash to make up for the abhorrent decisions you have made, get your fingers out of your arses and get some alternative funding or take the hit and see our club struggle at the foot of the table again next year. Or piss off for good and we can try and get others in who see us as fans and not herds of fresians to be rounded up every matchday and led up to the milking parlour.

The time has come to show us that we are valued and not just worthy of a free programme or a £5 voucher if you went to Morecambe last season (Morecambe meanwhile just gave away free match tickets to all and who have a smaller crowd than us and smaller finances but who oddly enough are still in the football league).

Do the decent thing board and charge fans a reasonable and fair amount for watching conference football or until you do or some of you bail out then I can't be bothered to go and watch us anymore home or away. I, like others have invested so much time, money and effort into trying to get to games and I just feel totally laughed at by the club. It's just not worth it anymore unless everyone at the club can understand that there has to be give and take and not just take.

Please do go and find something else to do on matchdays next season, Dave (forever) you have been totally right all along and i'll miss going to games so much I will cry but I can't support people who don't give two shits about the one thing that keeps them in business. The fans. No fans and no club. These idiots are consigning the club to history whilst we are supposed to accept it and pay with our money and our emotions. You know what, if us fans carried on going as normal anyway then they'd still find a way of leaving this club on the verge of extinction so save yourself the cash and hassle and go and play golf or something.

I'm going to spend my weekends with the family, I might go and watch the odd game at Sheffield FC and Chesterfield, go and watch cricket and save myself some mileage on the car as well as diesel and childcare too. In fact it's a weight lifted if I'm honest. I can't believe I've put my family through what I have these past 5 years just so I can support a club whose board treat us with contempt.

Ditch Plainmoor until the club do the decent thing and if we don't have a club left then we hold our heads high knowing we did the right thing and those of us who wish to be involved in a new club can start afresh like Darlo or Scarborough. That's the way we're heading anyway with this lot at the helm.

I've had enough of being ripped off and feeling like I am a revenue stream and not a fan with feelings and expectations. It's disgusting.

No more shirts, scarves, clothing or accessories for me and the little one. No more life disruption to not only see us lose but to also get ripped off for the privilege and at home games 'enjoy' one of the worst all round matchday experiences I think I've seen. (Someone gets paid for creating these would you believe?)

No more games home and away and no more being taken for a total mug. I'm out.

Please feel free to post the usual sh*t about being there through thick and thin and i'll just laugh and feel sympathy because you are perfectly content playing into their hands. If we lost a hundred games on the spin I'd probably still go, if we did that and got relegated I'd probably still go - if the club didn't reduce ticket prices to reflect a catastrophe of relegation and the fact that we will be playing non league inferior opposition then I'd stop going. It's not about the football - that is a variable nobody can predict or control. It's about doing what is right by the fans.

Enjoy next season. What a f**king mess. What a total joke.

I have no idea where to even begin with this post, so I'll start with the obvious one for now. Lowering ticket prices.

I've seen this, a lot. All I can ask is if you've done detailed price elasticity modelling on the ticket prices. Do you have quant analysis in to the loyalty of consumers buying season tickets against those that'll return through the gates at plainmoor if we start winning.

My assumption is those in charge have done both of those things. I suspect (and history shows) altering ticket prices won't help. With continued increased on the cost of overheads, the rapid inflatory cost of footballers wages, holding the cost of the season ticket is the best the club could ever afford to do.

Lowering ticket prices won't suddenly see an uptake. Poor response to early bird tickets previously highlights this. You're just giving away gross margin, with nothing in return.

There's deeper factors other than price that will be behind our low attendances next year.

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DTG wrote:So, who should Thea keep and which ones should be asked to step down? Obviously the Bristow family stay, without them we are screwed but they need proper people with the correct skills to move the club forward. Alex Rowe gets a pass. Andrew Candy has done a sterling job considering the constraints he has put up with. What about the rest? Can anyone tell me what value Palk, Hayman, the Boyce's et al bring to the table.......not a dig, I would like to know. What experience and influence have they had over the last few years, What have they done to try and prevent the current situation? Baker and Phillips (I am sick of talking about these clueless idiots) get them out NOW!. What about the less known Members? Do they bring money and expertise or are they just padding?

So, come on FL and you other smug apologists for failure. Tell us, what do these people do and why are they on the Board?

It is less 'who should we keep' and more who would wish to invest personal wealth to replace them. Regardless what anyone here thinks, Torquay United limited is a less than attractive proposition unless you're a fan. When the consortium took over from Bateson, they were made up of the most successful business people in Torbay who happened to be fans.

If it helps, I understand the structure of the business allows anyone to be voted into the board if they invest the trigger amount. Therefore I assume you'll be investing the required thousands upon thousands of pounds, and then utilising your clear marketing and business expertise for expenses only.

Like him, hate him or consider him over paid, what we lack now is a Colin Lee styled 'football' man. Our board, Thea aside, know how to run a standard business, but lack any expertise in the football side. That's where we struggle. Changing personel at the top won't help as even if there's someone willing to take their place, we'll still lack this.

Personally I'd reach out to Warnock as a contractor.

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ferrarilover wrote:It's not going to be up to Billy. He might want to leave, but he's got to find a club willing either to pay a fee, or risk the tribunal (which will award some fee and will cost yet more in admin). They also then have to pay him a salary he will accept for 9 months while he's injured, so that's another £45-60k out the window. If they also pay £50k for him anyway, you're asking a L2 club (he's nothing like good enough for L1) to spunk a hundred grand on a guy who won't kick a ball in all that time and might not be any good once he does.
Or they could sign JJOTwat from Rovers for the same money, a bloke who has single handedly turned Rovers from relegation certainties into a L2 side once again next year.

One of us is deluded Rooster...

As to insurance, according to Manse, players are insured, but have to seek their own policies. Clubs, as an alphanumeric friend suggested, are insured also, presumably against the cost of treatment and whatnot.

Matt.

It will only go to tribunal if we offer Bodin the same salary (or better) than he is currently on. That in turn leaves us exposed to paying him a hefty salary for the season if no one comes in for him.

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austrianandygull wrote:Sorry all but we need a big man or two to support Rene and still we haven't got one. So we go and get another small inexperienced nippy winger. We have some of those already but they never get played. We also have a small but experienced nippy striker who never sees the ball. Not what we need at all in my opinion but i'll support the lad whatever and i'm glad that at least someone is arriving so that's a positive and you never know.

I've never understood how a "big man" will offer Howe much support. Howe should act as our target man, with a finisher alongside him (whether that's Benyon or not is debatable).
Benyon won't be eligible Vs Southend, and therefore Jarvis will (I assume) move upfront. Add losing Bodin for 2 games into the equation, this makes absolute sense.

Sounds like the exact sort of player we need. Experience at this level, and relatively match-fit from the U21 team. Knill is just another in a long list of managers who clearly don't rate Stevens or Macklin, and exposing Thompson to a relegation battle could be severely detrimental to his development.

On paper, a useful signing.

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austrianandygull wrote:Agree with SBP. Unless he is really in love with the area then he'll be gone. He has shown other clubs what he can do and staying at Torquay wouldn't be a good move for his career. Sad but it is what i feel.

Utterly disagree. He's "shown other clubs what he can do" once before, got a big money move and then spent the next few years out on loan or rotting in the reserves.
Once bitten and all that. I suspect he'll want to continue to get first team football under his belt.

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I believe Terry was a huge Tony Bedeau fan.

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Not sure if this is the right place, but thought it might cause some discussion.
Crawley, having sold Tubbs, have placed two "substantial" bids for Billy Kee. The second of which was accepted, with Kee turning them down.

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The most interesting part of this, for me, is that I didn't believe Kee could play for a third club this season. Is Evans that arrogant he hasn't done his research / knows Kees history. Would be strange to replace your outgoing striker with one who can't play.

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Some might suggest the current consortium did exactly that...

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ferrarilover wrote:I have come on to post about this very thing, but with a negative slant. I saw what he said last night and it had me very worried indeed, that he had signed for some massive team or another on a loan deal or pre contract agreement.

Matt, the girly guy with an orange car.

Today he was joking with Mansell how a director had to sell off a house to get him his pay rise, and that it's Mansells turn to negotiate next "am sure u r! U want me to have a word when am in? 'I aint siging unless manse gets a rise!'?!

Now, that to me suggests that he's negotiating with the Torquay board as the only other possibility is Mansell and O'Kane are signing for the same team. Even then, I'm not sure it is technically a 'rise' if you move company.

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As we all know, O'kanes contract is due to expire at the end of the season and Ling (during pre-season) said that negotiations would be tied up in September. I guess this timing is due to the close of the Transfer Window allowing us to asses how much room is left in the playing budget.

Looking at Twitter chats between Manse / Eunan, discussions are well under way and O'kane is seemingly desperate to sign! Great news, and hopefully it will be tied up quickly.

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Southampton Gull wrote:A coach at Brum? Interesting that such a useless person has found such a decent job. Obviously coaching is different to managing but someone seems to recognise he has ability.

The Bristol Rovers fan? He seems to indicate that he's quite a good coach, and therefore it shouldn't be a suprise he's found a good coaching role.
His point is that as a manager, he was found out.

Similar, I imagine, to most posters views on here about Leroy. Good coach, poor manager (not my view I hastened to add, as I think he'd have blossomed under out current regime)

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Nice interview with The Pickler on the BBC Sport front page. Once again, he comes out of it very well and offers some nice thoughts about our Fan Base. Also a seemingly veiled dig at Buckle too.
A shame that his return to Plainmoor is so far away. He'll be getting a great reception - proof of how you leave a club with dignity.

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