Torquay United Fans Forum

Alpine Joe wrote:Just say you were one of the leading TUST militants, and last season, just for example you seemed to have
little interest in Torquay United or attending games at Plainmoor, in fact, if anyone wanted to speak to you
they'd be better off going to Sandy Park at Exeter where they'd have more chance of bumping into you watching the rugby.

Yet at the same time your importance was such that a fellow TUST member advocated that the Football club (an organisation
currently with only 3 full time employees, not attached with the playing side, remember) should dispatch a member of staff
to your home, probably the best part of an 70-80 mile round trip from Plainmoor, in order to plead with you to start attending
matches again. That sort of thing clearly not only leads to a massive sense of self importance, explaining why you'd feel able to
look down your nose at the hard work, time and investment Peter Masters and the Truro fans have put into growing their little club
and getting ever closer to having a new modern stadium for themselves, while you casually dismiss it all as 'tinpot'.


Now let's just say, that when a growing number of supporters seem to be having concerns that increasingly extreme outbursts
from TUST militants might just be designed to frighten off any new purchasers of the club, or new owners, so that, surprise,
surprise....there'll then be no one left other than the TUST's hands for the club to fall into, even more evidence starts to
stack up revealing your tactics. Let's just pretend that the 'My feeling is that fans should NOT pay into the Players Fund'
wasn't damaging enough on it's own in highlighting the 'let's starve them out, until they give in to us' approach that the
militants appear to take towards the club. Let's also just imagine that a few days later, further evidence came to light of
you advising a top TUST official that 'I think TUST need to be a little more guerrilla in their outlook'.

The fact is that the Torquay fans aren't as thick (with the possible exception of chardie) as you're hoping. And even if they
do google 'guerrilla' and immediately read 'a member of a small independent group taking part in irregular fighting'. What
indication does that give ? Well we all know what small irregular group you're a member of....and it's clear as day that it's
fighting the club until they give in to you, rather than helping them, that is what the TUST's militant wing is advocating.

It's bad for recruitment, it's an uncomfortable truth, it won't sit well with TUST hierarchy, but at the same time you can't
deny it's true, because the evidence exists. If at long last the TUST is seen to make some efforts to rein in it's militants
then it can perhaps start to undo the damage their confrontational tone is likely to cause.

So if you can't deny the message (as the evidence exists) what do you have to do ? That's right...you attack the messenger !
But seemingly without considering that by using bare faced lies such as labelling me a 'mate' of Chris Roberts, when I've never
met, spoken to, or expressed an opinion on the guy, you are at the same time, dragging the reputation of the organisation
to which you belong (TUST), through the mud with you.

The average fan would far prefer you to provide some evidence for your claims, rather than just resort to dishonest mud-slinging.
For instance, is it true or not that one of the TUST's top men, Chris Fleet, is highly involved in setting up TUOSC ? And why, if TUOSC is
a Pete Masters creation as you tell us it is, designed as a parallel organisation to help discredit TUST, then whatever is Chris Fleet doing
by arranging for a Company of which he is a Director to sponsor this new supporters club ??

If TUST are sending out their attack dogs in an attempt to silence anyone who dares question them, it's a tactic that won't work.
The light of transparency obviously doesn't sit well with the militants. But if they want sauce for the club goose, then they won't
succeed in stopping us from applying it to the TUST gander also.

Glostergull wrote:If you all take a moment to sit back and digest the opinions of the posters on here, then try to imagine that you have worked and built up a pot of gold and was in a position to finance the club. what would your requirements be. if you have worked hard for the money you have amassed. would you not expect to be the one having financed the club to call the tune. and would any of you be extremely annoyed if all you got was grief for all your efforts. what would you think for example if you put in a million to take the club forward for the next two years and we didn't get promotion. and ended up with vitriol and critism from members on this forum. and some from outside who are prepared to ring you up late at night to harass you and threaten you. what would you expect. and given that we have such violently opposed members on here already. from the totally negative Brucie and Wivel to Hector or Alpine joe or Emet Edads beard. Oil beefed hooked or even me, etc. with wildly differing opinions (and everyone is entitled to an opinion even Brucie and Wivel) my point is. no matter who comes in and puts money in. (and I suspect there are some out there who have the money but see the reactions of football fans who seem to think they are entitled to dictate what and where the money should go but won't want to invest as they don't want the aggro). Will want to have the major say in what happens at the club. if we want to put our own money up to buy the club then we can expect to have the major say in what happens. but others will more than likely end up in charge and we will have to accept that if we want the investment then we will have to accept that they call the tune. and if they don't like the aggro from certain sections of the fanbase then they will not want to interact with them.,@"';:\|?/.,<> There some grammatical aggro for you to chew on as you no doubt will want to pull punches over the grammar. :na:

jimhart wrote:Hi
I have been a member of TUST for several years.
I joined as i felt all assistance to Torquay United was welcome.
I thought it had funded some projects for the club but my memory may be mistaken.
It now seems that it is solely for setting up a Community Club subject to sufficient finance and thats fine.
It seems to me there is still room for the traditional "Supporters and Juniors Club " role.
We have had difficult years and over this period there has been a blame culture on all sides.
Can we not bury personal hatchets for the sake of TUFC.
I know nothing about this Masters person but i would except financial help from any genuine source,
however the last prospective owners were given far too much time.
The Board have made mistakes but they are all we have got at present.
Lets stick together.
I shall be joining the new supporters club.

hector wrote: Please explain how a democratic organisation like TUST is militant?

How does an 'Official' Supporters Club, where the committee has been handpicked and selected before the club has even been launched represent supporters more than TUST, where the equivalent of the committee are democratically voted for by supporters?

Which one of those organisations really represents supporters and acts accordingly to the wishes of supporters?

If you think TUST is militant, then join it and vote for someone who is more moderate. Sadly, you cannot do the same for the 'Official' supporters club because the committee is unelected and has been chosen for you. You still think that represents supporters? Do you really want the likes of Peter Masters telling supporters what to do?

Plainmoor78 wrote:I mentioned earlier about TUST militancy and a lot of the posts in this thread illustrate this. The TUST supporters appear to be saying only TUST and no else should represent the supporters. Gullscorer was right when he said every club should have a supporters club and the lack of one is one of the reasons why the club has become distanced from the supporters. There is nothing preventing someone belonging to both organisations. TUST and TUOSC exist to fulfill two completely seperate roles. If TUST succeed in taking over TUFC they are going to need the goodwill of every TUFC supporter, now is not the time to imitate Momentum because that is just going to alienate more people.

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portugull wrote:We gave this match to Maidstone who to their credit brought 280 fans to Plainmoor.

Verma has been our most consistent player this season but the first goal is always important and it was a huge error by Verma. It was a tap in for Maidstone.

The second goal really proved we need Gerring back in the centre of defence. Boy are we missing Angus. Before being red carded a few games ago Gerring was showing much improved form and GG does not convince me.

Snoop had a shocker and to try and head back to his keeper was suicide. Maidstone could not believe their luck.


At times we did play some nice football but you cannot gift any team 3 goals and expect to win. I feel very sorry for Kevin Nicholson who is doing his best with very little back up.

We have to stick with the players. Criticising every mistake only makes them nervous and it showed today. We really should be beating teams like Maidstone. Barrow looked poor at Plainmoor and are now in the top 4. Things can change rapidly but they will not change for the better if we turn against the team.

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