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ferrarilover wrote:It's a lovely sentiment, all this fair trade, free range, vegetarian ownership, The ground is fit to be condemned, comfortably the worst in the FL. While I will continue to mock teams who build massive, identikit stadia that they simply don't need (looking at you, Rovers) simply to win the willy waving contest of "my ground's bigger than yours", I'm even less impressed by clubs who have the opportunity to redevelop their places to make them livable and fit for purpose. They haven't even got a roof on their away end for Christ's sake. Imagine turning up to view a house and finding it has an outside loo; that's not even half as bad as pitching up at City's away end.

Over the last few years, time and again they've got lucky with cup draws. No complaints about the system, but they've made millions out of it and they've pissed the whole lot up the wall.
Well done to them equally for developing a couple of decent players and shipping them off for big money, but again, where's all that cash gone? Gates of 5000/week for years, average earnings of over £100,000/year for the last 15 years from lucky cup draws and player fees (that's a total guess, could be less, could be considerably more), prize money from a couple of seasons in L1. All this cash, totalling millions and millions of pounds and they're getting a f**king Wonga loan to pay their gas bill? They haven't spent a penny on their hovel, they certainly aren't known for paying big money, they've never spunked it on a million pound signing, so where the hell does it go? Where does all this cash end up?

Come on, City fans, I know at least one of you is having your carer read this to you, ask them to type you a reply, because I simply cannot see any other explanation than Titsdale has spunked the budget on posh cravats.

Matt.

Pot and kettle spring to mind here Matt.

They are perfectly entitled to say the same about Torquay and they'd have a point. =D

It does appear that they have been doing something silly with all their cash though I agree.

DerbyshireGull

Yes thanks Charlie.

It's been 5 hours now since you posted your comments and 5 people including myself have expressed their gratitude. Maybe you're best off out of it mate tbh.

Cheers anyway Charlie and Del sincerely and I've not come across many businessmen who are prepared to communicate so openly, many think they belong in dragon's den and have so many delusions of grandeur. I reckon you are both honourable men for being this way and don't change. Be human and be fair. You've been both so thanks so much. Just so long as you don't drive a massive beamer with your shirt hung up in the back window thinking you own the roads then you are one in a million!

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Leave it out mustard! Everyone knows our star player is Billy Bodin.

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During the early bird we were one of the most expensive, our early bird often being more expensive than full price at most other clubs. Not sure why you feel so affronted about this information, I'm just putting it out there for others to see as they might be interested. A fair price for football reflective of the product on offer is something I feel strongly about and so long as people are happy to continue to pay more and get less then nothing can ever change. Like Matt said on another thread, "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to stand back and do nothing".

or keep paying and getting nothing.

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I'm sure Bix would like to know this as I know he loves paying through the nose for tickets. :na:

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Torquay United have the most expensive season ticket in the conference at £415 for a seat in the bench and even the terrace in the pop is more expensive than many clubs best seats.

Bristol Rovers are a fiver behind for their best seats but are likely to be able to buy and to compete.

Barnet have some sort of weird membership deal going on which nearly puts them on a par with us but they have perks such as bar access and stuff chucked in.

Grimsby charge £378 tops for their best seats and £18 on a matchday.

Lincoln offer their fans a s/t in the best seats for £335 and you can pay in 10 monthly instalments, get discounts on club coach travel and they even let you exchange each voucher for any game you cannot get to for a fiver off next seasons s/t.

Wrexham weigh in at £329 for their best seats and chuck in the usual plus coach travel discounts and individual tickets bought in advance are £17.

Macc are up to £75 cheaper than us, Aldershot charge £361, Telford £315, Gateshead £300, Nuneaton £295, Southport were £276 early bird so £350 tops, Braintree £340, Dover £ 315, Altrincham £290, Woking £275, Hereford I can't find out but they were £300 last season, Halifax £319, Salisbury £210 early bird so below £300, Forest Green are at £340 and there you go.

The club's decision to freeze ticket prices doesn't sound like a great deal now after all.

Although it's actually a good job they did comparing them to all the other clubs.

That's all folks! Enjoy.

DerbyshireGull

If XYZ have pulled the plug on their sponsorship deal with Beeston United then it tells me that it is because Beeston United have been relegated into non league and thus XYZ will get less exposure and also be associated with a losing club into the bargain. It doesn't tell me (if I were a competitor) that XYZ are in financial trouble and that is why they have pulled out. They should then release that information and smooth it over so it sounds like an amicable split. No reason at all why they shouldn't release that info. That's my view of it to which I'm entitled.

From Beeston's perspective I agree with your points however, we are now a conference club and it is obvious that we will probably struggle for decent sponsors to come forward anyhow regardless of how we became 'sponsorless'. If we were Chelsea then XYZ could jump ship and there would be a queue of sponsors waiting to offer us cash. We are Torquay so there isn't anyway. Like I said, I know business is business but we are a tiny conference club now not a world superpower yet things seem to be conducted as though we are but always manage to make it look like we are amateurs.

I have not got any of my wishes. I would simply like to know what the truth is and what is going on so I can make my own mind up about things instead of there being about a thousand different potential scenarios as to why something has happened because nobody will tell you like it is (due to it being 'business'). It only causes mistrust and confusion.

I maybe should know by now that this is not how things are 'done'. Well please forgive me.

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Absolutely GITP although I still reckon we have players that just haven't been used properly by all managers. Hawley has been disastrous for us but he did used to have a scoring record and that goal he scored v Morecambe was top drawer. I think he could do a job at conference level but we just haven't played him and Benners in the right manner and given them direct, fluent and consistent service. If it takes Van Persie 2 accurate crosses for him to get on the end of one and score then it takes Hawley about 15. If we don't get enough balls into dangerous areas then he isn't going to socre and then hangs back and ends up playing with his back to goal the entire game and we lump balls up to him to hold up. I'm not defending him in any way shape or form and Knill signed some dross but with weaker opposition and some fresh players then those like Hawley who we can't shift maybe just could be the answer in the conference. Part of it also lies with their attitude. It's a gamble but if we're stuck with them then we may as well try our hardest to get our money's worth this season.

We also shouldn't forget that there are a lot of players that were already here when Knill arrived that have been worse than some of his signings. At this level all managers have to sign poor or unproven players, it's then what you get out of them that matters. Sadly neither Knill nor Hargreaves could squeeze out enough.

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Oil Beef Hooked wrote: I was thinking more of Bygones Andy. Quite apt given the fact our League status is now history.

Or we could have 'Hanbury's' on the front because everything about the club at the minute smells a bit fishy. =D

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Thanks Charlie!

See, told you we should trust the board!

My first post stands.

I'm feeling positive already.

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Why do TUFC do this? Like I've said before, this is not the secret service. Have WTS exercised a clause in their contract to cut the deal? If so then tell us. What is the big problem? Have we found another sponsor? If not then tell us. We can deal with it. From the O/S reading it again it is not clear that we have, it indicates that it paves the way for another sponsor with more cash to come forward. It doesn't actually say that we have one lined up or signed sealed and delivered. Has my previous post been too......er well, too 'previous' and now on the face of it we've all been done up once again like a purse seine full of kippers?

Let them get on with it I say and we'll just have to hope that those running the club are starting to learn lessons, starting to tell the truth because other than not going to Plainmoor again, there's not much we can do about it.

'Even if you are in the minority of one - the truth is the truth'

Mahatma Gandhi (and me too!

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DerbyshireGull

I'd not even thought about that Richinns and it's a good point. As there is no mention of such a stipulation on the press release then i'll just have to trust the board and give them the benefit of the doubt.

If there WAS such a stipulation then for the life of me I can't see why they wouldn't just tell us that the old deal had been severed because of it and we've found a new deal.

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Thanks OBH. Well if this is indeed true then credit where it's due to some behind the scenes who clearly have been doing some spadework in making this happen and making more money for the club. I find it weird though but hey ho, it's happened and full credit. I'd like to thank WTS for their financial input last season although I'm sure we could all debate about the levels of 'fun' they had whilst watching us! It was appreciated anyway.

Who will our new sponsors be?

Babbacombe Model Village would be quaint.

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I find it a bit odd CP how we could manage to attract a sponsor prepared to pay more than WTS now we are a conference club and still seemingly in a right old pickle on and off the field. Is this likely and does it happen?

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