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royalgull wrote:Am i being ultra dramatic here but I am starting to think there's a bit of Hereford United happening on the horizon here.

We literally have no idea who would want to come in and buy the club or invest in the club, this current lot aren't fit for purpose but what if we don't get anyone, or the bloke who wants it is the sort of prat that bought Hereford?

I wouldn't be surprised if we were next to go.

Those sort of prats hate strong trusts with a lot
of members. Let's hope that the influx of new TUST members in recent days continues.

What's gone wrong, in a word:

Everything.

I really hope that you get things sorted out on and off the pitch.

IF we don't go up this season then at least there will be a weekend in Torquay to look forward to next season.

Am i being ultra dramatic here but I am starting to think there's a bit of Hereford United happening on the horizon here.

We literally have no idea who would want to come in and buy the club or invest in the club, this current lot aren't fit for purpose but what if we don't get anyone, or the bloke who wants it is the sort of prat that bought Hereford?

I wouldn't be surprised if we were next to go.

supergulls wrote: You can disagree all you like I know facts what has gone on a what has been said to Pearce and I can guarantee he has been lied too and made promises that then haven't materialised. I'm not going with my opinion or what I think might have happened I know the truth. I agree with your point that he got injured pre season but the player was told on numerous occasions that once he was fit he would be straight back into the team.

Presumably, if it's a 'fact' you actually heard Hargreaves tell Pearce this then? Otherwise you're just going on what you've been told. I would agree that Pearce probably is our best defender but he has under-performed when given the chance this season and hasn't done enough to be an automatic starter, although saying that nobody else has either!

http://www.offtheoche.blogspot.co.uk/

This basically in my opinion of course.

tommyg wrote:I disagree with that Supergulls. Pearce was crocked in pre-season and so Hargreaves went with Downes and Angus who played well together in the early months of the campaign. Pearce has had plenty of opportunities to stake a regular claim in the side due to injuries and suspensions but simply hasn't taken his chance. He just doesn't look like he wants to be here in my opinion. And he was only ever a stand-in captain last season when Mansell didn't play.

You can disagree all you like I know facts what has gone on a what has been said to Pearce and I can guarantee he has been lied too and made promises that then haven't materialised. I'm not going with my opinion or what I think might have happened I know the truth. I agree with your point that he got injured pre season but the player was told on numerous occasions that once he was fit he would be straight back into the team.

Well, after supporting the club for 15 plus years, I feel compelled to write on here after finally witnessing what has to be the worst performance ever at Plainmoor or LWS (or whatever our ground is called).

How on the earth did it get to this?
Lets be fair, if Chris Hargreaves hadn't of played for Torquay there is no way he would of got the job in the first place. This is his first job!!
Not only to do I see a side with no confidence but I see a side who don't know what there jobs are.
Did anybody see Hargreaves venture out from the dugout encouraging the players or was he too worried about getting his suit dirty?!!
As for Bowman, his reaction says it all when he got taken off.

I will encourage the team week in week out and I will be there again on Saturday but it has come to point where something needs to change drastically. 10 points of the relegation zone is not alot when you have a team that aren't scoring and conceding goals left, right and centre.

Few things I've noticed:-
- Kenny Veysey is our goalkeeping coach but doesn't sit on the bench anymore. Surely Ricey needs some words sometimes from a reassuring source?
- Hargreaves doesn't come over and clap the fans for their support. Thanks!!

I would hope the club would drop the prices to encourage fans to come on Saturday and as a goodwill gesture for the unacceptable performance of last night.

Oh, I bet the board wish they had taken back Martin Ling!!

tommyg wrote:We all saw him as an integral player in the summer but his pre-season injury set him back. Hargreaves could hardly change the defence in those first 11 games. Pearce had to be patient and when he's been given chances he simply hasn't taken them. He wouldn't be in and out of the team if he played well. He's also been on the transfer list all season which may have affected Hargreaves' decision not to give him - or somebody like Downes - the captaincy. You can accuse Hargreaves of mis-managing certain players but I wouldn't include Pearce.

Take that point. But the whole team was playing much better then. We were dominating teams, as we still had something of an ex-league team aura. Teams were sitting back and hoping to take a point from us, early on. But as soon as teams got braver against us, our defence crumbled.

Most clubs, at whatever level, have players that when fit are in the side. And Pearce is one of the few that maybe warranted that kind of treatment at Plainmoor. It's perhaps not always wise to pick individuals based on the performance of a team. Pearce is a more relaible defender than either of the others.

tommyg wrote:We all saw him as an integral player in the summer but his pre-season injury set him back. Hargreaves could hardly change the defence in those first 11 games. Pearce had to be patient and when he's been given chances he simply hasn't taken them. He wouldn't be in and out of the team if he played well. He's also been on the transfer list all season which may have affected Hargreaves' decision not to give him - or somebody like Downes - the captaincy. You can accuse Hargreaves of mis-managing certain players but I wouldn't include Pearce.

I think you are way off with that comment.

Thanks CP, wasn't aware of that. Still doesn't alter my opinion, though.

Pretty sure that Pearce has never been on the "transfer list". Of the contracted players for this season it was only him and Cameron (two of our better performers last season) who were exempt. The six on the "naughty step" we're Hawley, Tonge, Downes, Benyon, Harding and Chapell - with Chapell subsequently taken off it after a decent start to the season and with his wages being in line with our budget.

We all saw him as an integral player in the summer but his pre-season injury set him back. Hargreaves could hardly change the defence in those first 11 games. Pearce had to be patient and when he's been given chances he simply hasn't taken them. He wouldn't be in and out of the team if he played well. He's also been on the transfer list all season which may have affected Hargreaves' decision not to give him - or somebody like Downes - the captaincy. You can accuse Hargreaves of mis-managing certain players but I wouldn't include Pearce.

tommyg wrote:The reason Pearce didn't start the season as first choice was because he wasn't match fit. We kept eight clean sheets in our first 11 games with Downes and Angus at the back. That has been our best partnership this season in defence. If Pearce is sulking because he didn't get the captaincy when he was never actually captain of the club then he needs to grow up.

I didn't suggest he's sulking because he wasn't given the captaincy. I said that in my opinion, he'd have been the right choice - on account of him being 'the last man standing' last season, and having all the attributes a captain should have. Instead, rather than being treated as in integral player, he's been treated like an unwanted extra. It's not inspiring.

The reason Pearce didn't start the season as first choice was because he wasn't match fit. We kept eight clean sheets in our first 11 games with Downes and Angus at the back. That has been our best partnership this season in defence. If Pearce is sulking because he didn't get the captaincy when he was never actually captain of the club then he needs to grow up.