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Conference - Will it be Full or Part Time FoorballFootball

by Gullscorer » 21 Apr 2014, 13:23

Full-time hoofball..?? :)

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by gullno4 » 20 Apr 2014, 23:24

will be full time for first 3 years, or until we drop down to the conference south! whichever comes sooner! well that's my guess ;-)

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by AustrianAndyGull » 20 Apr 2014, 21:26

Jeff wrote:I have clearly stated I don't expect him to achieve "objective two", numerous times in fact. So quite why it's worth suggesting I'd be an optimist for thinking he would is absolutely baffling.

Clearly, CH has failed to deliver objective one but he was not alone in that. I won't care to try and proportion blame to Knill, CH and the board but all of them are to blame in some quantity.



I think this is fair Jeff and a sensible assessment of what fans should expect. Get the club back on an even keel with some fairly positive football if possible and try and get some wins and some momentum. If we plateau in mid table but have seen signs of progression and some fairly decent football then that would be perfectly acceptable and I would consider it a good job done all things considered. I think what most fans are hoping for is a more adventurous approach to games now as we've had 3 seasons of total permanent boredom with no respite. Fans want entertainment as well and although it is important to remember that this is a critical season I also think the standard of football must improve. If it does and we don't do that great then I still think more fans will go through the gates.

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by tommyg » 20 Apr 2014, 21:09

Stefano, you're not the first to hint that another s**tstorm is around the corner, so how worried should we all be on a scale of 1-10?

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by stefano » 20 Apr 2014, 21:06

Jeff wrote:I have clearly stated I don't expect him to achieve "objective two", numerous times in fact. So quite why it's worth suggesting I'd be an optimist for thinking he would is absolutely baffling.

Clearly, CH has failed to deliver objective one but he was not alone in that. I won't care to try and proportion blame to Knill, CH and the board but all of them are to blame in some quantity.

For me, objective two is to now stabilise the club. If we are in the bottom 6 of the Conf come November then I will be amongst the first of those calling for CH's head but until then, whatever will be will be.
At least you are quite chilled about it all .... it helps ;-)

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by Jeff » 20 Apr 2014, 20:58

I have clearly stated I don't expect him to achieve "objective two", numerous times in fact. So quite why it's worth suggesting I'd be an optimist for thinking he would is absolutely baffling.

Clearly, CH has failed to deliver objective one but he was not alone in that. I won't care to try and proportion blame to Knill, CH and the board but all of them are to blame in some quantity.

For me, objective two is to now stabilise the club. If we are in the bottom 6 of the Conf come November then I will be amongst the first of those calling for CH's head but until then, whatever will be will be.

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by stefano » 20 Apr 2014, 20:50

Jeff wrote:I don't see that as another excuse to CH bash - my expectation would be the same whoever was in charge.

It was my expectation last time we got relegated to the Conf - I was staggered that the new board invested so much in the playing squad at that time but clearly long term it didn't pay dividends.

We've been a conference "club" in all but league position since the year we were in League 1 (apart from, obviously, the years we were in the conference), and it's about time the club stabilised and settled into the new surroundings.

It's sounds ridiculously pessimistic, but mid-table obscurity will do me fine for a couple of seasons.
You introduced CH to the debate not me and if you meant 'anybody' why did you not say so?

CH had a brief. He has failed on objective one and if you think he will achieve on objective two then you are a real optimist, although clearly from what you said you don't think he will achieve on objective two. In most jobs if senior managers do not achieve the performance targets they were set on appointment their services are dispensed with.

When things come to light in a few weeks time we will all have a lot more to be concerned about, or of course just forget all about it and start supporting Exeter Chiefs or as I have been doing (and enjoying) Ivybridge Town ;-)

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by yellowwot1 » 20 Apr 2014, 20:45

stefano wrote: Well that was his brief when he took the job. As he keeps saying he was told, "Keep us up, or get us back up". He singularly failed in the first objective which was the easier option of the two as we were only one point adrift when he took over with half a season to go, but he has managed to get us 8 points adrift with 3 games to go. So how much confidence would I have in him achieving his second objective? I suppose little. He keeps saying (when he used to actually do press interviews) that he doesn't look at the league table. Well a glance may have focussed his mind that things weren't going too well!! He got the job by publicly campaining on BBC Spotlight, and they are absolutely furious with his current stance regarding post match press interviews. Mind you if all we get is "I never look at the league table" and "we played well but it didn't go or us today", I suppose that silence really is golden! ;-)
I concur....very accurate from start to finish!

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by Jeff » 20 Apr 2014, 20:41

I don't see that as another excuse to CH bash - my expectation would be the same whoever was in charge.

It was my expectation last time we got relegated to the Conf - I was staggered that the new board invested so much in the playing squad at that time but clearly long term it didn't pay dividends.

We've been a conference "club" in all but league position since the year we were in League 1 (apart from, obviously, the years we were in the conference), and it's about time the club stabilised and settled into the new surroundings.

It's sounds ridiculously pessimistic, but mid-table obscurity will do me fine for a couple of seasons.

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by stefano » 20 Apr 2014, 20:30

Jeff wrote: I for one won't be putting any expectation on CH to take us back up next season.
Well that was his brief when he took the job. As he keeps saying he was told, "Keep us up, or get us back up". He singularly failed in the first objective which was the easier option of the two as we were only one point adrift when he took over with half a season to go, but he has managed to get us 8 points adrift with 3 games to go. So how much confidence would I have in him achieving his second objective? I suppose little. He keeps saying (when he used to actually do press interviews) that he doesn't look at the league table. Well a glance may have focussed his mind that things weren't going too well!! He got the job by publicly campaining on BBC Spotlight, and they are absolutely furious with his current stance regarding post match press interviews. Mind you if all we get is "I never look at the league table" and "we played well but it didn't go or us today", I suppose that silence really is golden! ;-)

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by Jeff » 20 Apr 2014, 20:11

When the likes of Gateshead, Southport and others are full time on sub-1000 gates, I see this is an absolute non-discussion. We will be full time next year regardless.

What that will actually look like, I'm not so sure. My expectation is that - if anyone on the board has any sense - we will cut our cloth accordingly and line up with a selection of young throw-outs from other teams, perhaps a couple of unknown foreign/previously foreign based players, and a couple of washed up ex-league players.

We need to cut costs and steady the ship for the next couple of years. I for one won't be putting any expectation on CH to take us back up next season.

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by Scorpion » 20 Apr 2014, 17:50

If the Board are happy to fund full time football, then great.

What must absolutely NOT happen is that the club spends money it can't afford "chasing the dream". There is a frightening list of ex-league clubs that have gone out of business trying to do this in the Conference and Hereford United are borderline at the moment. I would rather we were part time than out of business. By the way, several part time clubs have done very well this season - Braintree, Alfreton, Nuneaton (until their manager went to Wrexham).

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by brucie » 20 Apr 2014, 15:00

Yes thats about the crux of it. If we are top of the league the crowds won't be any lower than this season thats almost guaranteed. However if we are stagnating around lower mid table then we see a big drop.

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by PlainmoorRoar » 20 Apr 2014, 13:58

potnoodle wrote:Yes get rid of the dead wood, but if we are to compete for a quick return to league 2, then you need money like it was chucked around last time to get us back, which I don't see us having.

The crowds are going to be 'p' poor next season. How many times has the away end been closed this season? It certainly won't be open at all next season.

What crowds are board going to bank on next season. This is not belittling in any way just facts.
You mentioned crowds, that will be interesting

A team playing well and winning games at the right end of te table will get us a decent home crowd no matter what division it is! We have showed despite winning 3 odd games we still has a core 1500-2000 people turning up each week

Also

Hoping to hear the news of BT sport taking over the whole conference sponsorship soon, expect to see a much bigger TV coverage next season

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by ROADRUNNER » 20 Apr 2014, 13:45

Still wont be part time. :)

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