To Martin Ling : A sincere apology

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To Martin Ling : A sincere apology

by yellowwot1 » 21 Apr 2014, 12:58

Gullscorer wrote:Depression or no depression, he did take us to the play-offs in his first season. Given the depression he suffered in his second season, for the club to ostensibly sack him for 'footballing reasons' was quite frankly ridiculous, and to sack him at all was unfair. However, water under the bridge, and here's hoping Martin gets back into football management again before too long.
This is so true and upsetting that he has.Bern swept under the carpet like so many other misdemeanors at Tufc, most unfair,.damaging and hurtful.

To Martin Ling : A sincere apology

by AustrianAndyGull » 21 Apr 2014, 12:51

Just seen this on the BBC website and reading through it made me a bit upset. There are certain things on there that i can fully relate to and I'm just absolutely filled with remorse about some of the things i said about Martin whilst he was our manager BEFORE he went off ill i must add. I have nothing but admiration for him as a person and he may not realise this but he is stronger than a lot of people out there and should be proud of that fact. Part of the problem is that people think they have to keep illness like this a secret but that compounds the issue as it then becomes a secretive battle and you can't be yourself. Just admit it, accept that it is part of your biological make up and try and get on with things and if others snigger or judge then **** 'em. There ain't much you can do about what other people think and to be honest it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things so I'm really delighted to see Martin getting on with his life and looking for work.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26647517

To Martin Ling : A sincere apology

by brooker » 25 Feb 2014, 17:58

I myself have suffered from depression. There is quite often a stigma about it, but as Andy said, it isn't really anything more than chemical imbalance. I actually didn't recognise it in myself for a couple of years, but occasionally, for up to a few hours at a time, I would feel incredibly low, sometimes to the point of being unable to speak to people. There was nothing in particular that would set it off, it was just something that I'd have to ride out each time. My job at the time wasn't high pressure, but depression made it very hard to keep working. Work were getting on my back for working slower, and I didn't feel able to explain my reasons, as I didn't consider myself depressed.
The hard thing with getting help, was that as soon as my low ended, I would feel absolutely fine almost instantly, and therefore think that I didn't have a problem and put off seeking help. After a couple of years, when I finally saw a doctor, I wasn't on a low, and almost felt like I was faking. Imagine going to your doctor and describing being ill, whilst not actually being ill at the time! I was put on pills, despite criticism from mates, who said things like "man up" and that the drugs were bad for you, and that "everybody has bad moods". They actually worked for me really well, I didn't notice any effect, other than that I wasn't getting in explainable lows anymore. After a few months, I came off the citalopram, and have not had any problems at all since. The worst thing about depression, and anxiety (which often accompanies it), is that you don't want to bother anyone with it, and there can be a vicious cycle of not helping yourself, whilst cutting yourself off from people, and stopping enjoying things you previously enjoyed. I can imagine having such a high pressure job as football manager, whilst suffering from depression would be unbearable. The very fact that Martin is so publicly talking about his condition suggests to me that he is well on the way to recovery.

To Martin Ling : A sincere apology

by Gullscorer » 24 Feb 2014, 23:49

Depression or no depression, he did take us to the play-offs in his first season. Given the depression he suffered in his second season, for the club to ostensibly sack him for 'footballing reasons' was quite frankly ridiculous, and to sack him at all was unfair. However, water under the bridge, and here's hoping Martin gets back into football management again before too long.

To Martin Ling : A sincere apology

by AustrianAndyGull » 24 Feb 2014, 23:45

I wouldn't bother trying to explain Rooster but i will try. Brucie to be fair has a valid point about why does one put themselves in a stressful job if they are prone to mental health issues but often they don't know the extent of the issues they are experiencing. Ling may have at first suffered mild episodes that he developed coping mechanisms for and not thought a great deal about it. Further issues may have developed until a tipping point came that he just had too much brain fog and stuff going around his head and just couldn't continue. We don't know when the problems started. I'm sure he didn't one day suddenly say "I've got depression so i mustn't get a job that tests me or makes me stressed" otherwise he'd have got a job as a traffic cop. This thing must have gradually built up over time and the stress exacerbated it.

He may have been in denial and told himself things would be ok and this made it worse as rebound thoughts come back stronger and stronger until you have to acknowledge them and put them to one side otherwise you can end up having a breakdown. It is not as black and white as what Brucie is saying and if Martin wishes to get back into a similar role with all the stress and trauma that can bring and he is brave enough to put himself forward for managerial jobs in the future then he is a stronger man than i. That takes determination and bravery. If you had to fight an unknown enemy you couldn't see or hear in the dark in thick fog then would you be brave enough to take that enemy on? If the answer is no then think yourself lucky that your brain, not you, your brain is working as it should. All we are is our brains. I am not Andy, sorry......Anthea. I am just a brain, everything else is just external tissue and features. Who i truly am is inside my brain. Luckily we can all get our heads around it. :lol:

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by rooster » 24 Feb 2014, 23:21

brucie wrote:Err so being a football manager isn't by its nature likely to be a stressful occupation, If you are prone to that sort of illness why put yourself in a situation which is highly likely to bring about these symptoms?
If only it was as simple as that.........Im not an expert and don't profess to be, but your taking a very simplistic view of something that you and many don't perhaps fully understand. Its not a criticism but its not as simple or cut and dry as you think. It is quite common and not necessarily that episodes of depression/illness are brought about by a stressful job, the reason behind it is individual and once recognised can be managed.

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by jonnyfive » 24 Feb 2014, 23:15

Andy, you need say no more or less than you wish.

I certainly wouldn't pay any attention to someone who humourlessly hinted at alcoholism during Martin's illness.

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by AustrianAndyGull » 24 Feb 2014, 23:09

I made no personal judgements against Ling throughout his tenure. Not even when people made jokes about the rumours of him drinking. I made no comments about this. My comments were based on the fact that he consistently sent us out to defend from kick off and even if we went a goal down we would defend it. My criticisms were about his apparent lack of understanding about how to get a team playing attacking football. I apologised because i may have called him some unsavoury words.

I have nothing whatsoever to look at myself for apart from taking the usual frustrations about a seemingly limited manager that step too far in terms of abuse. I don't know the man. I know how he managed at win lose or draw his approach was unacceptable but now i can see reasons why he may have opted for the same tactic over and over.

I have apologised because the abuse about him being a poor manager was unwarranted in light of his issues. Nothing else. I don't need to go deeper at all. My conscience is clear.

To Martin Ling : A sincere apology

by brucie » 24 Feb 2014, 23:05

Err so being a football manager isn't by its nature likely to be a stressful occupation, If you are prone to that sort of illness why put yourself in a situation which is highly likely to bring about these symptoms?

To Martin Ling : A sincere apology

by ferrarilover » 24 Feb 2014, 22:58

Depends why you were mean to him. If you were upset because you were of the opinion that he wasn't a very good manager (however you might decide that), then I don't see why you'd apologise.
If you're making personal judgements about a man you don't know from Adam and who just happens to manager the team you follow, then you should probably have a bit of a look at yourself in the first place. Apologising is probably a good start in the second case, but it needs to go deeper than that.

Matt.

To Martin Ling : A sincere apology

by AustrianAndyGull » 24 Feb 2014, 22:52

Errr it wasn't the jobs that made him depressed, it was a chemical imbalance in the brain combined with stress and anxiety brought on by a number of indeterminable factors.

Like i said, stupidity and ignorance.

To Martin Ling : A sincere apology

by brucie » 24 Feb 2014, 22:47

Errr if he suffered from depression at two clubs really being a football manager is the wrong job for him - he is better off out of it.

To Martin Ling : A sincere apology

by Gullscorer » 24 Feb 2014, 21:27

AustrianAntheaGull wrote:It's debatable whether i have achieved anything much though! :lol:
I was recognised as one of the UK's youngest gout sufferers years ago. I'm proud of that. :)
Says a lot about your lifestyle, Andy..!! =D

To Martin Ling : A sincere apology

by rooster » 24 Feb 2014, 21:24

No problem, I know Martin will appreciate your words. Its now in the past although he was absolutely gutted not to be able to come back and be given the opportunity to prove to the football world that he was fit and well and back in business, he obviously felt let down by the club but that was confined to the board and not the fans. Whilst he was not everyones favourite he accepts that as that is part of the job........as you can imagine the way things turned out were frustrating and extremely upsetting for him.

On a more positive note he is doing well and has fingers in a few pies but would relish the opportunity to get back in the thick of it should he be granted that opportunity.

I wander where we would have been now had he been allowed to continue, our current position could be the legacy of not doing the right thing at the time maybe.......who knows.

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by AustrianAndyGull » 24 Feb 2014, 21:23

It's debatable whether i have achieved anything much though! :lol:

I was recognised as one of the UK's youngest gout sufferers years ago. I'm proud of that. :)

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