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Southampton Gull wrote:It's about styles, not results.

Buckle forced square pegs into round holes, that was/is his fashion.

Ling sees the hole, tailors the player's shape and in he slots. That's style.

friendlygas wrote:I think maybe this thread will be more relevant at the end of the season when you see what Ling has achieved at that time or maybe two or three seasons when you are in a position to judge Buckle against Ling. In the same way it would be difficult to judge Buckle for us at this early stage. From afar I would say Buckle would take some beating at Torquay!!

Why? It's about styles, not results, both will have made their styles well-known to all by now.

I think maybe this thread will be more relevant at the end of the season when you see what Ling has achieved at that time or maybe two or three seasons when you are in a position to judge Buckle against Ling. In the same way it would be difficult to judge Buckle for us at this early stage. From afar I would say Buckle would take some beating at Torquay!!

Good thread.

Personally, I prefer Ling to Buckle. I like that Ling will say things as they are, he's honest, he'll acknowledge when things are going wrong and when changes need doing. As I said in the Martin Ling thread a few weeks back, the fact he won't wait too late before trying to change a game is a major plus point for me - Saturday was a lost cause though.

Buckle did like 'in your face' style, which was quite good, especially with the passing/attacking football we played from January onwards last year. However, had we had Ling in charge for the playoffs, I'd have felt more confident. As perverse as that seems. We've been playing fairly nice football under Ling, I think, but it hasn't been as exciting as it was last season. I thing thats because the dynamic of the team is totally different now - before we didn't really have a targetman (Zebs wasn't one, in my opinion), now we have Howe who can hold the ball up bringing more players into it.

Overall, I wouldn't swap Ling for Buckle; as Dave says, Buckle had more resources, more than Ling has and I feel that Lings doing a good job - and the fact that he'll happily shoulder the blame should it be his fault is a huge plus point for me - honesty like that is something Buckle wouldn't even consider.

Read this thread with interest,,

Give me Ling over Buckle anyday. Ironic really when you think of the differences of resources that the two had at their disposal. Buckle's was good for league two manager and Lings have been limited at best. Buckle wouldn't look at you when he spoke to you. I hate that.

friendlygas wrote:To be honest you seem to be a lot more sensible in your assessments of your Manager than our fans. On our forum whenever Buckle says anything EVERY word is analysed and some taken totally out of context. have to say I like listening to Paul buckle and I think he has built a good side which will improve. I like his style and makes a great change to trollopes final third and also his most famous quoe "We are a much better side when we havent got the ball" That one really made me laugh because luckily for trolls we didnt have the bloody thing very often!! I think Management styles are very much a personal preference but myself I like somebody who sounds enthusiastic when they talk and Buckle is A1 at that. I can imagine that like you seemed to have last season that itt is a reasonably nice place to work under buckle and North.

You should enter that on our Quote of the Month thread

To be honest you seem to be a lot more sensible in your assessments of your Manager than our fans. On our forum whenever Buckle says anything EVERY word is analysed and some taken totally out of context. have to say I like listening to Paul buckle and I think he has built a good side which will improve. I like his style and makes a great change to trollopes final third and also his most famous quoe "We are a much better side when we havent got the ball" That one really made me laugh because luckily for trolls we didnt have the bloody thing very often!! I think Management styles are very much a personal preference but myself I like somebody who sounds enthusiastic when they talk and Buckle is A1 at that. I can imagine that like you seemed to have last season that itt is a reasonably nice place to work under buckle and North.

This was always a rebuild season for the club. The club got to sort out the Stand and other things off the pitch. Ling gets to work on the squad and in Jan/End of season he will let go what he doesnt want and replace with what he feels is better. I feel next season will be our chance to push for playoffs but then who says we cant this season.

I like Lings style, hes honest. He wont be upsetting anyone saying how he feels to the press as the players them selfs will know. Buckle would have told the players exactly what he thought at training and the dressing room. Soe people have issues with Ling because weve had a bad few games.

its happends were a league 2 side and im sure the squad are trying what they can to stop this poor start.

Scott Brehaut wrote: Yep - no player fall outs ever..........

Just remind me, where are the likes of Woody, Matt Green & Jake Thompson again ???

edit: LOL nice auto correct someone

Wubble U wrote: Buckle seemed to know what he was doing, and to be fair he always ran a happy camp, and the team spirit he built was one of his main strengths as a manager.

Yep - no player fall outs ever..........

Everyone, the team, the manager, the supporters, the media, knows that Saturday's performance was poor. In his post-match interview Ling blamed himself as much as his team; refreshing honesty which one rarely hears from other managers, and I've no doubt that he and the players will be working hard to sort things out. Next Saturday will be their chance to show how much they've turned it around, but the supporters must also play their part; get behind the team on Saturday against the current leaders, who are not unbeatable - after all, Bristol Rovers have just defeated them!

they should've been given chick peas and riveta after that performance ;P

markygull wrote:Bit off topic but was absolutely amazed to find out that all the tufc players had been given fish and chips after the match from 'flippin fish' not far from the ground. (we went in there around 8pm and the owner who was serving who was at the game told us)

lets reward a shite performance with a treat...brilliant

That's it, close the book on this month's 'Quote of the Month'.

Oh Marky, that might just be the funniest thing I have ever read on here. Send them to bed with no tea!

Matt.

I think most of us find it a breath of fresh air to hear Ling come out and say it excatly how it is after the game, having heard Buckle's "its everyone else's fault but ours we lost today" interviews in the past.

My only concern is that if Ling isn't careful he could really start to piss the players off. Buckle seemed to know what he was doing, and to be fair he always ran a happy camp, and the team spirit he built was one of his main strengths as a manager.

Maybe protecting the players as he did instilled more loyalty in the team and therefore a greater desire to play for their manager. I'm sure Buckle still read the riot act behind closed doors, but I just wonder whether the media front was a ploy to keep morale up within the team, reduce expectation on the players so they were more relaxed coming out for the next game. Maybe this was the key to his success, and maybe the reason Ling never succeeded at Cambridge...?

They're not 4 year olds being taught right from wrong, it really doesn't matter what they eat on a Saturday night.

Losing a game doesn't mean they should be on bread and gruel until next Saturday.