Torquay United Fans Forum

Time will tell.

Matt.

Glad I didn't see this last night; I may have cried myself to sleep. The credibility attributed to me by a person like yourself is of paramount importance.

Morris is a crock, and was lightweight and ineffective when fit. Those two adjectives befit your beloved NC as well. Just like Ling and Knill, I don't see the point in waiting all afternoon for one decent cross or pass from him, when his snail-like pace and inability to tackle detract considerably from our defensive solidity.

Morris and Craig pointless, there goes any credibility you may have had J5. Easton can go (nothing against him, but he won't get in the side next year), but Morro and NC will both be worth a pretty penny a while from now.

Matt.

I am a big fan of Rene's and I think that in a better team he can easily get 20 goals. No-one can convince me that someone like Tom Pope, who averages about 5 goals a season, is better than Rene, and he has won League 2 player of the season.

A lot of his work is not valued or appreciated and you only have to look at the last two games to see his influence: setting up Bodin for the crucial second and then using his strength to flick the ball to Yeoman for his goal at Morecambe. Important player and we will miss him on Saturday.

Trying to look at this in an unbiased way: goalscorers are like gold dust so like it or not a 16 goal return is going to be an attraction for many clubs.
On the other hand a booking, on average, every three games plus, for whomever he plays, he will miss the first two matches of next season as part of his three match ban could put a number off.
Neither of these two senarios are a foregone conclusion and aren't we supposed to be in contract talks with Rene?
In 'normal' circumstances a 16 goalscorer would be worth a reasonable transfer fee to the selling club.

A description of 'bang average' still puts him as better than the majority of our squad this year, who have been 'p*ss poor.'

On his day, he is undoubtedly one of the better League 2 strikers, in all aspects of his play. Unfortunately his career has been made up of short stays at clubs, which would appear to be caused by a flawed character. Like Zebs.

I would prefer to clear out the pointless squad members like Morris, Easton and Craig, and give Rene the chance to show his best again.

Sorry Bitchie, don't agree at all. He went through a purple patch of 7 goals in 7 games, impressive no doubt, but that, rather than his recent form, was the exception. I've long been attempting to temper the fervent hyperbole regarding Rene's ability, it seems now that people are seeing Rene for what he's always been, bang average.

As I said before, I'm not ungrateful, but let's not kid ourselves that he's somehow irreplaceable.

Matt.

Scott Brehaut wrote:Maybe he scores more when under Lings style of play........

lingy was still in charge scotty when his form dropped off.

Don't say that Scott, it will really grind with some folk who already have razor sharp daggers poised.

Maybe he scores more when under Lings style of play........

Bitchie Renault wrote:No surprise that there are some fickle responses from the usual ungrateful ones with regards to Rene

I don't consider my comments to be fickle and I am certainly not ungrateful for his contribution in the first half of the season and I did previously state his second half of the season was poor with the 'good first touch' being absent for the majority of this time - something he had before

yes his form has dropped off. but if he had not score the goals in the first half of the season then we would have been down already.
I suppose its possible to look at some factors for his drop in form - different formations, becoming a father, frustration - there are a few.
It was a great filck-on for Yeomans goal on saturday though!
Players get frustrated - even the best can go games without scoring ie RVP, rooney @ maunre for example.
Speaking to an ex-prem centre forward he gave me a great insight into the frustrations of either not scoring or not playing up to his own standard. he said that he used to take out on his fellow players, the opposition even his missus! :Oops:
he also said that it also felt worse when the team were doing poorly and he could not seem to do anything about it.

So, I say thanks to Rene and all the best. Because without you we would already have been relegated.

No surprise that there are some fickle responses from the usual ungrateful ones with regards to Rene, he has not had a good second half to the season for sure (as to whether it bears direct relation but his form seemed to dip around the time of the birth of his first child), but that certainly doesn't tell the whole story.
He was in sensational form earlier in the season, being lauded as the best striker in the league, had definately lost a bit of weight and looked sharper, scoring 10 goals in 12 games at one point and looked unplayable at times, showing a really good touch for such a big bloke, possibly the only weapon missing was he didn't score many with his head. There's no doubt we would've been in deep poop without those goals.
But for some reason that form has mostly deserted him and he's been a shadow of that player in lots of games. (Maybe a bit like Eunan, the thought of a possible move is affecting him to) I'll be saddened if he does go as overall I think he is a well above average league 2 striker who we will struggle to replace and just needs to rediscover his form.
Hope he stays, still think he might, but wish him well if he moves on.

Personally, I won't miss Rene. I think we have a great prospect in Yeoman, a lad I have liked for some time. I agree he thinks he is better than he is. He has had a very poor second half of the season but I think his goal scoring statistics for the first half of the season will attract some naive clubs. His disciplinary record will be the deciding factor for some clubs. Is he worth the gamble? Oh and then there's his reputation that results in him getting booked for the most innocuous of challenges - perhaps he's not quite on his way yet!

Well said Matt toally agree, put it well, sensible and straight forward without insulting anyone !!