What A Difference A Year Makes

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Re: What A Difference A Year Makes

by AustrianAndyGull » 19 Jun 2012, 21:18

Sorry if i didn't explain myself very well but i was talking in terms of losing Branno, Bevan, Zebs, Stanley too and compare that with losing Bobby, Eunan (poss) and Ellis. IMO the latter players are much better than the former so like for like we could be worse off. Obviously it won't last as Martin will bring in the players he needs but in terms of the scenario of losing Bobby, Mark and Eunan we would be worse off. I was one of those that were pessimistic at the start of last season predicting a lower half place for us but i knew little then of the abilities of players like Lathrope, Oastler and in some respects Howe. This season i have seen what talented players they are at this level at least and if we hold onto them and add to the squad, despite if we lost 3 key players then my outlook for this coming season is very bright indeed. Martin did astoundingly well in bringing in players on loan when needed, rotating the miniscule squad when injuries / suspensions hit and motivating extremely limited players such as McPhee and Atieno when he needed to use them so i have total faith in Ling and he is a genuine bloke.

Re: What A Difference A Year Makes

by Scott Brehaut » 19 Jun 2012, 21:06

If one was to be pedantic, this time last year we had just appointed a manager that very few people were happy about, didn't have a keeper (Bobby signed on the 1 July), and lots of people were pessimistic for the new season.

Right now, we have a manager who has exceeded expectations, still have Eunan (for how long, who knows), and, in fact have only lost one player from last season - although he is going to be a great loss.

So, in actual fact, things are a lot better NOW then they were on the 19 June 2011....

Re: What A Difference A Year Makes

by stevegull » 19 Jun 2012, 21:04

forevertufc wrote:Sorry Andy, but Brucie is not even close to being right, on the second day of last season our team went away to Bristol Rovers, in the team/squad that day were Bobby.O,Eunan O'Kane, and Mark Ellis, Brucies exact words were, I remember it well was.."we are going to get a shellacking" Brucie can't on one hand say these players are not good enough to beat Rovers, then on another say we are in a worse position because we have lost them to other clubs.

These same three players were in the squad , that many members of this thought would be in a relegation scrap, thats needs to be remembered before we continue to throw our toys out of the pram.

A year does make a difference, this time last year Martin Ling did not sign the players he really wanted, he signed the players the club told him he could afford, now Martin Ling may well have a much bigger budget to play with, hopefully he can now go and sign the players he does want, then the pressure will be on, as he, and they the players must deliver.
Exactly. Situation dictated that Ling's hand was forced into collecting some players from the football 'scrapheap' as by the time Ling got the job the cream of the 'free players' crop were long snapped up. He signed Atieno and McPhee to give out squad more numbers, and although they didn't set the world alight, they did their jobs respectably. With more time, and more choice of the market, I don't see any reason why Ling can't help make us push for play-offs again.

Re: What A Difference A Year Makes

by Dave » 19 Jun 2012, 20:56

Sorry Andy, but Brucie is not even close to being right, on the second day of last season our team went away to Bristol Rovers, in the team/squad that day were Bobby.O,Eunan O'Kane, and Mark Ellis, Brucies exact words were, I remember it well was.."we are going to get a shellacking" Brucie can't on one hand say these players are not good enough to beat Rovers, then on another say we are in a worse position because we have lost them to other clubs.

These same three players were in the squad , that many members of this thought would be in a relegation scrap, thats needs to be remembered before we continue to throw our toys out of the pram.

A year does make a difference, this time last year Martin Ling did not sign the players he really wanted, he signed the players the club told him he could afford, now Martin Ling may well have a much bigger budget to play with, hopefully he can now go and sign the players he does want, then the pressure will be on, as he, and they the players must deliver.

Re: What A Difference A Year Makes

by Colorado Gull » 19 Jun 2012, 20:55

A good post Regiment. Firstly I think 70k for Ellis and 175k for Eunan are small sums and we should be getting more, because I think they are worth more than that, IMHO. However, for the first time in a long time we'll have money to spend on players. Ling created a team before the season just gone with no money and look how the season ended up. I have all the faith in the world that Ling will replace and add players for an exciting season ahead.

Re: What A Difference A Year Makes

by AustrianAndyGull » 19 Jun 2012, 20:42

We've lost Bobby, probably Eunan and Mark too so in reality Brucie is right in assuming that we are possibly worse off than last year; however, Martin has got time on his side to bring in the faces required and a bit more resources with which to do it. IMO Bobby is more important to us than Eunan and he is the biggest loss of all, Eunan will be a great loss too but not so much Ellis. I trust in Martin to replenish the squad with some decent signings but my only worry is that he will replace the ones that leave and not add to the squad further to improve the depth of our squad. It was horrendously threadbare for most of last season. We need quite a few more bodies in yellow still.

Re: What A Difference A Year Makes

by usagullmichigan » 19 Jun 2012, 14:00

tufc si wrote: Do you know what Gloster, I'm guessing most people on here wonder why and how Brucie is a fan, I dont honestly think I've ever seem him/her say a positive thing about our club!!
Her? You think that a female and brucie have the same bitch level?

Re: What A Difference A Year Makes

by tufc si » 19 Jun 2012, 13:59

Glostergull wrote: Brucie. For someone who bemoans our position as a lowly club having to sell our best players. I wonder how long you have been a so called fan for. Our Team has been this small all it's life. Nothing much has changed. You came here as a fan when it was like this and it's still like this. I wonder why you became a fan. You could have decided to follow Excretia or one of the sh*t teams. In fact many on here wish you had. As you have constantly said. you won't come back untill things improve. Have you ever thought that you like many others of your ilk are actaully causing part of the problem. after all without your hard earned dosh. How is the board going to fund a brilliant team!!
Nuff sed! :whip:
Do you know what Gloster, I'm guessing most people on here wonder why and how Brucie is a fan, I dont honestly think I've ever seem him/her say a positive thing about our club!!

Re: What A Difference A Year Makes

by Regiment » 19 Jun 2012, 12:40

brucie wrote:Plain fact is that we are now worse off player wise than we were lats year. Our three best players have all but gone and replacing them is going to be harder than people make out.
i quite often laugh at your posts Brucie, you do it to get a reaction, and it usually works. i do wonder if what you post is genuinely your opinion, or you're just going against the grain to create banter. it can often be quite funny. but do you honestly believe we were better off a year ago ??

Re: What A Difference A Year Makes

by Glostergull » 19 Jun 2012, 12:29

brucie wrote:Plain fact is that we are now worse off player wise than we were lats year. Our three best players have all but gone and replacing them is going to be harder than people make out.
Brucie. For someone who bemoans our position as a lowly club having to sell our best players. I wonder how long you have been a so called fan for. Our Team has been this small all it's life. Nothing much has changed. You came here as a fan when it was like this and it's still like this. I wonder why you became a fan. You could have decided to follow Excretia or one of the Premiershite teams. In fact many on here wish you had. As you have constantly said. you won't come back untill things improve. Have you ever thought that you like many others of your ilk are actaully causing part of the problem. after all without your hard earned dosh. How is the board going to fund a brilliant team!!
Nuff sed! :whip:

Re: What A Difference A Year Makes

by Gullscorer » 19 Jun 2012, 12:21

If only life were that simple.. :-/

Re: What A Difference A Year Makes

by usagullmichigan » 19 Jun 2012, 12:20

brucie wrote:Plain fact is that we are now worse off player wise than we were lats year. Our three best players have all but gone and replacing them is going to be harder than people make out.
brucie, what you can't seem to grasp is that we are Torquay. We will nearly always be worse off player wise after a good season. We are in L2. We sell!. We get not very big crowds and our chairman don't have gobs of money. I think you need to go support Man City to try and cure your bitterness and find some happiness because you are not going to find it at Plainmoor.

Re: What A Difference A Year Makes

by Gulliball » 19 Jun 2012, 12:19

The difference is that this year we will have some room in the budget to work with, and have had a whole summer to plan.

We won't have to act quickly or sign any players just to make up the numbers. We still have 8 of our starting XI from last season at the club, so even if you include two new wingers/attackers that everyone agrees we lack, it's only five players we have to bring in, as well as some squad depth.

Two solid signings, two rabbits out of the hat, one good loanee and suddenly we have a very strong team again.

Re: What A Difference A Year Makes

by NA Gull » 19 Jun 2012, 12:14

Agreed. I would rather be in our position now than where we were last year. We have a manager who can build a solid, team, likely to have money in the bank and the core of a decent team.

Looking forward to the new season.

Re: What A Difference A Year Makes

by brucie » 19 Jun 2012, 12:08

Plain fact is that we are now worse off player wise than we were lats year. Our three best players have all but gone and replacing them is going to be harder than people make out.

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