by happytorq » 31 Oct 2022, 18:09
dawlishmatt wrote: 31 Oct 2022, 17:48
Finally happytorq, you mentioned that " who the **** are you to say what should be done" because I haven't been to a match in over a year. Your profile on the forum states that you live in the USA. I wonder how much it costs you to travel from the states to watch Torquay and how long it takes you to fly across the Atlantic?
I imagine it takes me the same amount of time, give or take, as it would anybody travelling 3,000 miles to see their side play. I actually have seen the team play - albeit on 'television' - this season, and I listen to every game on the radio. I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you about it, but you've clearly stated that you don't watch any games; the inference there is that this applies to in-person games as well as those those that are broadcasted. So, while you are entitled to an opinion on the side, it's probably not as well as informed as those who do go regularly, just as mine is likely not as well informed because listening on the radio 90% of the time doesn't offer the full - aha - picture.
Incidentally - not sure why it's relevant, but the cost varies depending on when I go, but when I was there in May the ticket price was about $1,400 return, although the previous september it was about $900. (i got to watch 2 games then, mind).
If the management have brought in the players that they feel would suit the system they want, and then a large number of those players are denied them because of injury, that is an extenuating circumstance. Yes, the team that has been left behind has been pretty terrible, in the main, and of course the blame for that
should lie with Johnson
et al. Johnson appears to prefer a relatively small squad, and has done for a while, so he should be held accountable for what happens if the available players are not up to the job. I'm not saying he's without blame but the point I'm making is that I don't think he should be judged on his team building until the team he has built has actually been able to play.
I don't know the budget situation - if he was given a budget unfit for purpose I don't think GJ would hang around (he probably doesn't need the money at this point, after all). That he's still here suggests that he felt the budget that he
was given is sufficient. That's not necessarily to say it's a large budget - and it's 100% certain to be nowhere near what Wrexham and Notts will be spending. Still I'm not going to blame the owner there, given how opaque the situation is - it may well be that the club has decided that trying to compete with those teams this time around is not feasible, and so bringing in so many young players might've been a strategic call; muddle through this season, and compete next year (when presumably at least one of those two teams will be gone).
Let me ask you this - given that the team is, as you say, 'rubbish', do you feel that a different manager would be able to get different results with the same group? Like him or not, GJ is probably part of the reason that the players we've signed came down so to me it's very questionable that somebody else would. If there is any more money available from the owner, it makes sense to me to put it towards the playing squad rather than paying off a sacked manager.
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Finally happytorq, you mentioned that " who the **** are you to say what should be done" because I haven't been to a match in over a year. Your profile on the forum states that you live in the USA. I wonder how much it costs you to travel from the states to watch Torquay and how long it takes you to fly across the Atlantic?
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I imagine it takes me the same amount of time, give or take, as it would anybody travelling 3,000 miles to see their side play. I actually have seen the team play - albeit on 'television' - this season, and I listen to every game on the radio. I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you about it, but you've clearly stated that you don't watch any games; the inference there is that this applies to in-person games as well as those those that are broadcasted. So, while you are entitled to an opinion on the side, it's probably not as well as informed as those who do go regularly, just as mine is likely not as well informed because listening on the radio 90% of the time doesn't offer the full - aha - picture.
Incidentally - not sure why it's relevant, but the cost varies depending on when I go, but when I was there in May the ticket price was about $1,400 return, although the previous september it was about $900. (i got to watch 2 games then, mind).
If the management have brought in the players that they feel would suit the system they want, and then a large number of those players are denied them because of injury, that is an extenuating circumstance. Yes, the team that has been left behind has been pretty terrible, in the main, and of course the blame for that [b]should[/b] lie with Johnson [i]et al[/i]. Johnson appears to prefer a relatively small squad, and has done for a while, so he should be held accountable for what happens if the available players are not up to the job. I'm not saying he's without blame but the point I'm making is that I don't think he should be judged on his team building until the team he has built has actually been able to play.
I don't know the budget situation - if he was given a budget unfit for purpose I don't think GJ would hang around (he probably doesn't need the money at this point, after all). That he's still here suggests that he felt the budget that he [b]was [/b]given is sufficient. That's not necessarily to say it's a large budget - and it's 100% certain to be nowhere near what Wrexham and Notts will be spending. Still I'm not going to blame the owner there, given how opaque the situation is - it may well be that the club has decided that trying to compete with those teams this time around is not feasible, and so bringing in so many young players might've been a strategic call; muddle through this season, and compete next year (when presumably at least one of those two teams will be gone).
Let me ask you this - given that the team is, as you say, 'rubbish', do you feel that a different manager would be able to get different results with the same group? Like him or not, GJ is probably part of the reason that the players we've signed came down so to me it's very questionable that somebody else would. If there is any more money available from the owner, it makes sense to me to put it towards the playing squad rather than paying off a sacked manager.
