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by MellowYellow » 22 Apr 2018, 18:34

Teigngull wrote: 21 Apr 2018, 15:36 I run the risk of coming across a little pedantic here, but for god sake some of you & all at the tv,radio, & written media really get my goat when our illustrious chairman is said to have ' bought the club ' .
He didn't buy it per se , he acquired it by default, due to the last board panicking & jumping into bed with GI after quite categorically stating to the clubs followers GI wouldn't be involved in any rescue plan.
So stop saying he bought the feckin club please, cos it's not correct.
No pedantic at all Teigngull, its good to revisit why we have come to be where we find ourselves. However it ought to be recognised that not all are or were aware of the severity of the situation and in truth why should we have been, we are football supporters not balance sheet enthusiasts.

You are quite right in that the ownership of the club was aquired by default of loan, it was not brought. Philips and Co failed to raise sufficient funds having lived under the ideology that the club was 'self sustantining' when the truth was the opposite and the 'begging bowl' came out. This even after Phillips and Co were really given a gift: the shares were handed on a plate; external debts removed and a loan made namely by Thea to ease the transition.

This is were Clarke Osborne is quite right (choking on the thought) when he says that the club will be: "totally reliant upon what has happened in the past, which is a series of people who come in, believe they can do something, but fail because it's not sustainable."

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by Teigngull » 22 Apr 2018, 17:53

tomogull wrote: 22 Apr 2018, 14:53 Parking is not a problem, and it certainly won't be next season. I arrive at my usual parking location between 10 and 15 minutes before kick off. I never have a problem finding a space. I have timed it - it takes me, an old git, about 7 minutes to walk to the ground. I'm not saying where it is of course because you'd all bliddy well go there ! However, my mates park near Cary Park and they seem to manage okay. So when Osborne says there is 'zero parking', it simply proves how little he knows the area. This isn't surprising because he never visits ......

There is an argument that a multi-sports stadium would benefit Torbay and I agree with that, but what rental would the club be charged, remembering the Bristol Rovers/Eastville scenario?
I got no problem with TUFC moving into a multi use ,all purpose stadium & giving up the lease on plainmoor if...
We actually own the bloody thing & if it's built to a certain standard akin to plainmoor itself.
The problem as we all know is, he won't even deliver it, for he never does.

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by tomogull » 22 Apr 2018, 14:53

Gulliball wrote: 21 Apr 2018, 14:32 I was going to say, surely parking is fine at Plainmoor. You can park for free, a few minutes walk from the ground. Much better than paying £5 per match to be stuck in a traffic jam for 30 minutes after the match.

I went to East Fife vs Ayr last week, a crowd of about 500 and it took an age to get out of the car park. Street parking would have been ten times better.
Parking is not a problem, and it certainly won't be next season. I arrive at my usual parking location between 10 and 15 minutes before kick off. I never have a problem finding a space. I have timed it - it takes me, an old git, about 7 minutes to walk to the ground. I'm not saying where it is of course because you'd all bliddy well go there ! However, my mates park near Cary Park and they seem to manage okay. So when Osborne says there is 'zero parking', it simply proves how little he knows the area. This isn't surprising because he never visits ......

There is an argument that a multi-sports stadium would benefit Torbay and I agree with that, but what rental would the club be charged, remembering the Bristol Rovers/Eastville scenario?

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by westyorkshiregull » 21 Apr 2018, 15:41

True statement above
Don't worry the" sugar daddies will be queuing up soon "
More like the honey monster from sugar puffs

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by Teigngull » 21 Apr 2018, 15:36

I run the risk of coming across a little pedantic here, but for god sake some of you & all at the tv,radio, & written media really get my goat when our illustrious chairman is said to have ' bought the club ' .
He didn't buy it per se , he acquired it by default, due to the last board panicking & jumping into bed with GI after quite categorically stating to the clubs followers GI wouldn't be involved in any rescue plan.
So stop saying he bought the feckin club please, cos it's not correct.

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by Plainmoor78 » 21 Apr 2018, 15:23

I'm really shit at parallel parking. I need a parking space the size of a football pitch to park properly.

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by Gulliball » 21 Apr 2018, 14:32

I was going to say, surely parking is fine at Plainmoor. You can park for free, a few minutes walk from the ground. Much better than paying £5 per match to be stuck in a traffic jam for 30 minutes after the match.

I went to East Fife vs Ayr last week, a crowd of about 500 and it took an age to get out of the car park. Street parking would have been ten times better.

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by WHG » 21 Apr 2018, 14:19

Plainmoor78 wrote: 20 Apr 2018, 19:57 I believe the rent on plainmoor is in the region of 16k pa.
Unfortunately although you like parking away from the ground and then walking up to it, for many people the lack of parking is a negative. I would have attended far more games at plainmoor if I thought there was easy parking to be had.
I drive to every home match, arrive about half an hour before kick off, and never have to park more than 10 mins walk( and i walk very slowly) from ground.

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by Neal » 21 Apr 2018, 13:37

Anonymous internet people, are you having a f*cking laugh mate (CO)

And you are not anonymous then!!

Ok pal, meet me anytime you f*cking want?

Its not wonder there has been a surge in left (Corbyn) politics, its because of greedy capitalists like you. Only concern is making more money for your scrooge like pockets, no care of anything other than your selfish greedy motives.

And I will tell that to your f*cking face!

REALLY PISSED ME OFF!

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by Neal » 21 Apr 2018, 13:33

Yorkieandy wrote: 21 Apr 2018, 09:05 A businessman with a self declared lack of interest in football and with no connection with Torquay whatsoever buys the club and yet CO expects fans to believe that there isn't anything remotely fishy going on. Nobody fitting this criteria would ever LOOK at Torquay United let alone BUY it unless there was a reward at the end of it.

I don't think altruism is in CO's make up.

Rescue! My arse!
:goodpost:

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by Yorkieandy » 21 Apr 2018, 09:49

Plainmoor78 wrote: 20 Apr 2018, 19:57 I believe the rent on plainmoor is in the region of 16k pa.
Unfortunately although you like parking away from the ground and then walking up to it, for many people the lack of parking is a negative. I would have attended far more games at plainmoor if I thought there was easy parking to be had.
This is a problem for an increasing number of supporters. In fact there are many supporters who don't qualify for a disabled blue badge for 'not being disabled enough' and therefore cannot access disabled parking at many grounds but yet they still have equal significant needs for these spaces.

Then you get grounds like Plainmoor where it is generally street parking only and then the further away you have to park then the more difficult it will be to get to the ground.

I did go to a few games at Derby a few years ago and it was just a nightmare. Despite living only 20 miles away i had to pretty much be parked up at a car park in the area for about 1pm to guarantee a space then twiddle my thumbs for 2 hours before kick off. Ridiculous. The official spaces directly behind the South Stand were usually all already taken by parking season ticket holders prior to the game. Obviously that was an exception as there were usually over 30,000 fans going to games but there are people who are just as impacted as 'officially disabled' people but who can't access parking nearby.

I'm unsure whether Plainmoor78 is highlighting the parking issue at Plainmoor based on him being disabled or similar or whether he finds parking just generally a pain in the arse. I must admit that whenever i've been to Plainmoor i've had no problems dumping the car in one of the side streets near Cary Park like Devons Road etc. Surely it must be easier now with half the usually crowds? Unless there have been restrictions put in place?

Overall though i do agree with P78 generally about parking being an issue at a lot of grounds.

Also agree with Westie about the character of grounds. I've been to Donny a few times too and it reminds me of Chesterfield but just bigger. A soulless bowl of a ground with zero character whereas places like York and Bury etc are old school places and walking through to the ground you feel like you are going to a proper football match and expecting raw football rather than going to a Donny and expecting a show.

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by gullpower » 21 Apr 2018, 09:30

Plainmoor78 wrote: 20 Apr 2018, 19:57 I believe the rent on plainmoor is in the region of 16k pa.
Unfortunately although you like parking away from the ground and then walking up to it, for many people the lack of parking is a negative. I would have attended far more games at plainmoor if I thought there was easy parking to be had.
I would keep Plainmoor and put a Park & Ride at the Willows.

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by Yorkieandy » 21 Apr 2018, 09:05

A businessman with a self declared lack of interest in football and with no connection with Torquay whatsoever buys the club and yet CO expects fans to believe that there isn't anything remotely fishy going on. Nobody fitting this criteria would ever LOOK at Torquay United let alone BUY it unless there was a reward at the end of it.

I don't think altruism is in CO's make up.

Rescue! My arse!

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by Southampton Gull » 21 Apr 2018, 09:01

A lesson he obviously hasn't learnt in sticking by Owers ;-)

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by merse btpir » 21 Apr 2018, 08:43

Learning curve.......should have replaced him in May at the end of the previous season.

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