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Reserve Team for 2018-19?

by nickbrod » 28 Dec 2017, 18:37

Without boring other posters I was at St Luke's 1969 - 1971. Club secretary from 70 - 71. Wrote the programme cover to cover, sorted out the adverts, got it printed and had a weekly column in the Express & Echo under the byline 'Luke'.

Reserve Team for 2018-19?

by arcadia » 28 Dec 2017, 18:06

nickbrod wrote: 20 Dec 2017, 11:25 When I was at St Luke's College, as club secretary (and occasional sub) playing at St James Park for home games, used to enjoy Torquay Reserve games in the Western League.
In my opinion having a reserve side is essential for the benefit of the first team. A good move long overdue.
We may have seen each other without knowing it as in 1970 to 1974 I was in goal for W.S.M. and played at the Cat & Fiddle ground during that time. I managed Keynsham Town in 89 to 93 but I think St Lukes pulled out of the Western League but Torquay came back in arround that time Compton was manager of a good reserve side.

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by stefano » 21 Dec 2017, 05:48

merse btpir wrote: 20 Dec 2017, 20:01 I'm not so sure he did when I saw him last.......in the Windmill in Brixton; he and I on another 'Last of the Summer Wine' maraud on the unsuspecting grannies of London. Well, grannies in his case; grand daughters in mine! :whistle:
Excellent evening merse! Coincidentally I am seeing the same two groups this evening at the Beehive in Honiton. As in Brixton I will stay at a luxurious Premier Inn. The Leylines have only played in London once more since we saw them in Brixton and I was abroad at the time, but I'll give you a shout when they are up there next with me in attendance.....

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by stefano » 21 Dec 2017, 05:43

desperado wrote: 20 Dec 2017, 16:03 Probably saw you play Stefano...Tell me your initials and what position you played and I'll tell you who you are... I seem to remember Welton Rovers being always around the top of the league. Wonder what happened to them?
I'll pm you so as not to bore everybody else with events of 50 years ago! Pleased you mentioned Welton Rovers as that brings back memories for me too. In my early teens I always looked out for that fixture as they were a top team in that league and would head down to Plainmoor by bus from Newton Abbot to see them. A few short years later I played away to them so nice to see merse's picture of the old stand. Lost 4-2. What I particularly remember is clinging mud and a very vocal and partisan crowd!

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by tufcyellowarmy » 20 Dec 2017, 20:27

merse btpir wrote: 20 Dec 2017, 19:59 I do indeed; and it lifts my faint hope that just maybe Clarke Osborne sees the club as a venture to be re-structured and them moved on......a capitalist venture.

The cessation notice regarding Gaming International and Riviera Stadium Ltd has been on BTPIR since November 16th when it first became apparent so make sure you keep up to speed on there for constant monitoring of Clarke Osborn and whatever appears on the Companies House website. Questions were being asked such as was Osborne trying to stop United dragging down GI's profits? Making the club easier to sell via being a stand alone entity? Allowing him to do some dodgy deals such as loading loans onto the company without being under as much scrutiny?

It's the spectre of loans into the company that need to be keenly monitored for this is the stealth by which he acquired the football club in the first place. Don't expect him to come out and say just what he is up to ~ that's not his style by a long chalk

If TUFC were to be sold, then GI won't want to sell it as a 'division' of theirs; they'll want to sell it as a stand-alone company. And any buyer in their right mind wouldn't want to buy a bit of GI; they'd want to buy a company in its own right would they not? If Osborne continues to put money into the club ~ but as loans intended to be called in at some point after having got his hands on the freehold ~ having those loans appear on a less well known company's balance sheets is far better for him. Rather than having them appear on GI's where there are more stakeholders and more interested parties to ask awkward questions.

Osborne has far more promising, and presumably more time-consuming, enterprises than Torquay United in his non-GI portfolio. Chief amongst these might be TrueSpeed Communications of which he is chair. This is a business that was formed in 2014 and is involved in bringing "ultra fast" broadband to rural communities. It all started in the Chew Valley, south of Bristol, where he lives. Earlier this year TrueSpeed received £75 million from Aviva Investors. Last week TrueSpeed announced details of further expansion into north Somerset with future plans to move into Devon, Wiltshire, Herefordshire and Gloucestershire. The company's website talks of its product being "faster, fairer, future-proof"...big business eh?
:lol: :clap:

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by merse btpir » 20 Dec 2017, 20:01

Jerry wrote: 20 Dec 2017, 19:26 I know he's getting on a bit but I reckon he already knows who he is.
I'm not so sure he did when I saw him last.......in the Windmill in Brixton; he and I on another 'Last of the Summer Wine' maraud on the unsuspecting grannies of London. Well, grannies in his case; grand daughters in mine! :whistle:

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by merse btpir » 20 Dec 2017, 19:59

tufcyellowarmy wrote: 20 Dec 2017, 19:26Err thanks that’s put me straight. It’s odd you haven’t put anyone else straight on various threads apart from me up to now. But “hair splitting “ aside the move by the “owners” if they sanctioned it is a positive move and deserving of some credit , don’t you agree ?
I do indeed; and it lifts my faint hope that just maybe Clarke Osborne sees the club as a venture to be re-structured and them moved on......a capitalist venture.

The cessation notice regarding Gaming International and Riviera Stadium Ltd has been on BTPIR since November 16th when it first became apparent so make sure you keep up to speed on there for constant monitoring of Clarke Osborn and whatever appears on the Companies House website. Questions were being asked such as was Osborne trying to stop United dragging down GI's profits? Making the club easier to sell via being a stand alone entity? Allowing him to do some dodgy deals such as loading loans onto the company without being under as much scrutiny?

It's the spectre of loans into the company that need to be keenly monitored for this is the stealth by which he acquired the football club in the first place. Don't expect him to come out and say just what he is up to ~ that's not his style by a long chalk

If TUFC were to be sold, then GI won't want to sell it as a 'division' of theirs; they'll want to sell it as a stand-alone company. And any buyer in their right mind wouldn't want to buy a bit of GI; they'd want to buy a company in its own right would they not? If Osborne continues to put money into the club ~ but as loans intended to be called in at some point after having got his hands on the freehold ~ having those loans appear on a less well known company's balance sheets is far better for him. Rather than having them appear on GI's where there are more stakeholders and more interested parties to ask awkward questions.

Osborne has far more promising, and presumably more time-consuming, enterprises than Torquay United in his non-GI portfolio. Chief amongst these might be TrueSpeed Communications of which he is chair. This is a business that was formed in 2014 and is involved in bringing "ultra fast" broadband to rural communities. It all started in the Chew Valley, south of Bristol, where he lives. Earlier this year TrueSpeed received £75 million from Aviva Investors. Last week TrueSpeed announced details of further expansion into north Somerset with future plans to move into Devon, Wiltshire, Herefordshire and Gloucestershire. The company's website talks of its product being "faster, fairer, future-proof"...big business eh?

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by Jerry » 20 Dec 2017, 19:26

desperado wrote: 20 Dec 2017, 16:03 Probably saw you play Stefano,
Tell me your initials and what position you played and I'll tell you who you are
I know he's getting on a bit but I reckon he already knows who he is. ;-)

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by tufcyellowarmy » 20 Dec 2017, 19:26

Err thanks that’s put me straight. It’s odd you haven’t put anyone else straight on various threads apart from me up to now.
But “hair splitting “ aside the move by the “owners” if they sanctioned it is a positive move and deserving of some credit , don’t you agree ?

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by merse btpir » 20 Dec 2017, 18:00

tufcyellowarmy wrote: 20 Dec 2017, 15:22 I presume this was sanctioned by GI . If this is the case then I guess credit where credit is due.
Gaming International no longer own Torquay United........

Riviera Stadium Ltd who actually own Torquay United was a wholly owned subsidiary of Gaming International Limited which is registered in England & Wales. Gaming International Limited is controlled by Toklon Limited which was the ultimate holding company as at 31st March 2017.

But Gaming International Limited disposed of its shareholding during September 2017. The company is now under the direct control of RSL's sole shareholder, Clarke Osborne.

Read more: http://thelondonlabia.proboards.com/pos ... z51pESnD5p

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by wivelgull » 20 Dec 2017, 17:58

I've been there, during my 'tour' of Western League grounds 1979-99. When I lived in Wiveliscombe I used to go to Elmore a lot. Saw the great 'Lors' playing for them before he was thrown out after drunken shenanigans at the end-of-season party.

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by merse btpir » 20 Dec 2017, 17:49

desperado wrote: 20 Dec 2017, 16:03 I seem to remember Welton Rovers being always around the top of the league. Wonder what happened to them?
Still in it; they are currently members of the Western League Division One and still play at West Clewes. Founded in 1887, Welton Rovers provided the opportunity for the mining community of Midsomer Norton and Radstock to play and watch football. One of a number of long-established clubs in the North Somerset coalfield, their ground is the oldest in the area.

I'm no so sure the the wooden stand shown below is still there. It was built in the 1930's but is rapidly approaching the end of it's lifespan as the club have received planning permission to pull it down and replace it with a more modern structure.

When Steve was playing in the Western League for Torquay United, Welton had a legendary striker called Ian Henderson who (under the managership of Bristol Flower Market trader Arnold Rodgers (who's son David later played for the Gulls) was as good a striker playing below the full-time levels of the Football League as was ever possible to imagine....

In 1964–1965: Welton reached the 1st round proper of the FA Cup, but lost to Weymouth after a replay. The team won the championship 3 points ahead of Bideford.
In 1965–1966: They went unbeaten for the entire league season, Welton Rovers finished 11 points clear of Portland United and won the championship for the second year running. Henderson, scored a club record of 53 goals that season, including six hat-tricks. On 11th September 1965 Welton won 10–0 at Dorchester Town.
In 1966–1967: Rovers won the championship for the third consecutive time, finishing 5 points ahead of Minehead.
and in 1967–1968: Welton again reached the first round proper of the FA Cup, but lost 3–0 at Bournemouth & Boscombe Athletic.

A great institution in the history of the game in the North Somerset coalfield!

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West Clewes: no great shakes as a ground but one with a lot of history [/align]

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by budegull1954 » 20 Dec 2017, 16:37

More on the 'revived reserves' below, seen from Argyle's perspective.

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/f ... les-954009

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by desperado » 20 Dec 2017, 16:03

Probably saw you play Stefano, I went to a few reserve games, used to be a few on wednesday nights,
as well as the Western Counties Floodlit League which contained several first teamers
Tell me your initials and what position you played and I'll tell you who you are
Always had a cup of tea and a pasty, remember the old guy in a long raincoat, wandering to the Babbacombe
End to hang those metal square numbers on the half time scoreboard. I seem to remember Welton Rovers
being always around the top of the league. Wonder what happened to them?

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by tufcyellowarmy » 20 Dec 2017, 15:22

This is very good news indeed.
Fringe players need regular outings to keep sharp and gain match fitness if retuning from injury. With the additional expense the club will incur running a reserve side I presume this was sanctioned by GI . If this is the case then I guess credit where credit is due.

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