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by Jerry » 21 Nov 2017, 15:40

Southampton Gull wrote: 21 Nov 2017, 15:05

Genuine offer from someone who is seriously upset to see us where we are currently.
No doubt it is a genuine offer and he could well have some useful advice/contacts for Owers to use. However, he should just have contacted the club/Owers with his offer. To also post it on a fans forum is an error in judgment I would say, could be seen as an attempt to get the fans to pressurize the club into accepting his offer (not suggesting this was necessarily his intention, just how it could be perceived by the club/Owers).

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by westyorkshiregull » 21 Nov 2017, 15:38

Jack wrote: 21 Nov 2017, 15:22 So Paul Sturrock was manager of Yeovil until December 2015 and Geoff Harop was Academy Manager at Yeovil from summer 2015. Am I i missing something ? Surely they know each other reasonably well?

Good spot. Seems odd then to air this in public if they know each other reasonabley well. I assume the academy manager and the 1st team manager at a club even for short period would so.

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by Jack » 21 Nov 2017, 15:22

merse btpir wrote: 21 Nov 2017, 13:58 But of course for almost two years now he cannot get a job of his own in football management!

The last time he was at Plainmoor he departed just four days later, after being appointed manager of Yeovil Town on 9th April 2015, with the club all but relegated. Following a poor start to the following season, Yeovil announced on 1st December 2015 that they had parted company with him; he had lasted just eight months. So what exactly are his achievements of late and exactly what is his standing with the game's employers these days?
So Paul Sturrock was manager of Yeovil until December 2015 and Geoff Harop was Academy Manager at Yeovil from summer 2015. Am I i missing something ? Surely they know each other reasonably well?

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by Southampton Gull » 21 Nov 2017, 15:05

merse btpir wrote: 21 Nov 2017, 13:58 But of course for almost two years now he cannot get a job of his own in football management!

The last time he was at Plainmoor he departed just four days later, after being appointed manager of Yeovil Town on 9th April 2015, with the club all but relegated. Following a poor start to the following season, Yeovil announced on 1st December 2015 that they had parted company with him; he had lasted just eight months. So what exactly are his achievements of late and exactly what is his standing with the game's employers these days?

He didn't fail at FGR, Bath and now Torquay though, did he?
SBP wrote: 21 Nov 2017, 14:35 I read this totally different. If these posts are genuinely from Paul Sturrock i think he just wants to help. For heavens sake just invite him to training , have a brew with him, talk to him. Its so narrow minded just to dismiss his offer to help.
How can you question his achievements of late, he's managed at the top level, he has a wealth of experience in the game regardless of not being employed within the last 2 years.

Genuine offer from someone who is seriously upset to see us where we are currently.

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by SBP » 21 Nov 2017, 14:35

I read this totally different. If these posts are genuinely from Paul Sturrock i think he just wants to help. For heavens sake just invite him to training , have a brew with him, talk to him. Its so narrow minded just to dismiss his offer to help.
How can you question his achievements of late, he's managed at the top level, he has a wealth of experience in the game regardless of not being employed within the last 2 years.

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by merse btpir » 21 Nov 2017, 13:58

Plainmoor78 wrote: 21 Nov 2017, 12:26 In effect Sturruck is saying to Owers in public "I can do your job better than you can".
But of course for almost two years now he cannot get a job of his own in football management!

The last time he was at Plainmoor he departed just four days later, after being appointed manager of Yeovil Town on 9th April 2015, with the club all but relegated. Following a poor start to the following season, Yeovil announced on 1st December 2015 that they had parted company with him; he had lasted just eight months. So what exactly are his achievements of late and exactly what is his standing with the game's employers these days?

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by arrywithanh » 21 Nov 2017, 12:46

Plainmoor78 wrote: 21 Nov 2017, 12:26 The thing is many people regard seeking/accepting help as an admission that they are out of their depth. Steve Perryman used to help out at Exeter city and if my non-functioning brain serves me correctly none of the managers he helped out lasted that long.
The way this has been publicised, assuming it is genuine, can only be seen to further undermine the manager because it is frankly disrespectful. In effect Sturruck is saying to Owers in public "I can do your job better than you can".
VERY VERY :goodpost:

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by Plainmoor78 » 21 Nov 2017, 12:26

Louis wrote: 20 Nov 2017, 23:43
That’s the nature of the footballing business. If I was underperforming I’d appreciate any help that kept me my job and the company I work for in business.
The thing is many people regard seeking/accepting help as an admission that they are out of their depth. Steve Perryman used to help out at Exeter city and if my non-functioning brain serves me correctly none of the managers he helped out lasted that long.
The way this has been publicised, assuming it is genuine, can only be seen to further undermine the manager because it is frankly disrespectful. In effect Sturruck is saying to Owers in public "I can do your job better than you can".

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by brucie » 21 Nov 2017, 11:06

This really is the rest home for the terminally gullible.

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by arrywithanh » 21 Nov 2017, 09:02

merse btpir wrote: 20 Nov 2017, 22:26 Whilst input from such a person (as the real) Paul Sturrock would be invaluable, it should be done on a man to man basis and not via social media.

If (the real) Paul Sturrock wanted to contact Owers and Kuhl he must surely have their details amongst his multiple contacts; or if he hasn't..... then why?
I have to agree with you, bit odd that he chose this method for communicating, not as if we as fans have much say anyway :keepie:

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by arrywithanh » 21 Nov 2017, 09:00

lucy6lucy wrote: 20 Nov 2017, 21:39 You have just made my night. You really are an individual that needs help. I refuse to respond in bad language to respect the forum. Seriously, get a grip .what the hell tranmere has got to do with Paul sturrock god knows. Point I made idiot, if multi millionaire paul sturrock comes on asking/offering help then buy the club.
And at which point did he suggest buying the club... and I am relating the STUPIDITY of your post alike to the post that you made when we played Tranmere at the start of the season. BOTH STUPID posts :) :clap: :clap: :bow:

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by westyorkshiregull » 21 Nov 2017, 06:43

After reflection and after the red wine has worn off i change my view. Perhaps if he had come on here wishing us luck would have been better. Or just maybe gave a point of view about the performance of a striker ect. Has been to any games ? Sorry to puma for a snotty shitty response earlier.
I've said myself these guys need time. 10 games is nothing. I would say we must survive this season and then these guys have a proper sort out in the summer.

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by merse btpir » 21 Nov 2017, 00:08

Mattpuma wrote: 20 Nov 2017, 23:58 Its unfair to say they are underperforming after so few games as well. Give them a chance.
It's ludicrous to say that after ten games; ludicrous, deluded and driven by an ulterior motive I would say!

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by Mattpuma » 20 Nov 2017, 23:58

Professional people in the football business do not post things like this on fans forums.
I have no problem with him offering his assistance but this was not the way to do it. Also its not compulsory for the manager to accept the offer.
Its unfair to say they are underperforming after so few games as well. Give them a chance.

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by Louis » 20 Nov 2017, 23:43

Mattpuma wrote: 20 Nov 2017, 21:46 If you were manager would you appreciate this being put on social media? I think not.
That’s the nature of the footballing business. If I was underperforming I’d appreciate any help that kept me my job and the company I work for in business.

The public part is also (I suspect) to show that we are being offered support but it’s no doubt being rejected and kept secret by our wonderful owners.

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