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List of Players who were rubbish with us, but have gone on to be good

by DB57 » 23 Oct 2017, 17:42

If I remember rightly he was homesick and wanted to return back up north.

List of Players who were rubbish with us, but have gone on to be good

by budegull1954 » 23 Oct 2017, 15:59

He wasn't rubbish for us, in fact he didn't even get a game, but I see that Shawn McCoulsky has just scored his third goal in consecutive games for Newport County while on loan from Bristol City. Great article today in The Times footie section about Billy Kee, who again wasn't rubbish for us but has gome on to be Accrington's top scorer this season. The article focuses on Billy's battle with depression, an illness which must affect more than a handful of players I should think. A brave and honest young man, still only 26 years old - why did we let him go?

List of Players who were rubbish with us, but have gone on to be good

by apgull » 21 Oct 2017, 10:53

Jeff wrote: 16 Oct 2017, 05:22 I don't think this is correct, as he was on loan with us when we were back in L2 if I recall correctly. I distinctly remember seeing him turn out for us away at Darlo- granted he was still awful but it wasn't in the conference days.

Although ironically, I'm pretty sure he was on loan at Eastbourne once upon a time, and played an absolute blinder for them one disgraceful midweek night when they tore us apart.
Worrying how bad my memory is of these things.

That must have been it. Tore us apart then came to us only to stink out the place.

List of Players who were rubbish with us, but have gone on to be good

by madgull » 17 Oct 2017, 22:02

Plainmoor78 wrote: 17 Oct 2017, 14:27 A little unfair on Williams I think.
More like a little generous. Tragic when he was with us, and just as tragic when he left. I remember the Popside ironically chanting 'Willo, Willo' as he missed chance after chance for Hartlepool against us.

List of Players who were rubbish with us, but have gone on to be good

by MellowYellow » 17 Oct 2017, 21:30

No one has brought up the name Fred Binney, who played in the Football League for all three of Devon’s senior clubs

Offered a professional contract in 1966, Binney was a regular scorer for Torquay's Western League reserves but was kept out of the first team by the form of United’s legendary Robin Stubbs and only made a handful of senior outings.

He was loaned to Exeter City 1969 and immediately showed what talent he was by netting 11 times in 17 league games. Returning to Torquay, he still could not break into the side, and so the Grecians brought him for a fee of £4,000 in 1970. What a bargain it proved to be.

Binney scored 28 league goals for Exeter, making him the joint-top goal scorer for the season in the entire Football League.
The following season, Binney was voted the PFA Division Four Player of the Year as he scored another 25 times, making him one of Exeter City’s all time goal scoring legends

In 1974, Brian Clough signed Binney for Brighton & Hove Albion, for a fee of £25,000. Binney scored 23 league goals as Brighton narrowly missed out on promotion. In 1977, after 35 league goals in just 70 games and after helping Brighton to promotion in his final season, he moved to the United States, signing for St Louis Stars.

He returned to Devon and linked up with Plymouth Argyle on a free transfer. Binney netted 28 goals in 1978-79, which won him the club’s Player of the Year honour.

Can you think of a current squad player with that potential who cannot get into the Torquay team - how times have changed.

List of Players who were rubbish with us, but have gone on to be good

by portugull » 17 Oct 2017, 18:20

I saw Don Mills many times and he was class personified.
Wivel if you think Robin Stubbs was great, and you are dead right, you should have seen Sammy Collins. I think he still holds the Club scoring record for a season, over 40 goals, and he was our Jimmy Greaves because he was a scoring machine.
I am going way back now but does anyone remember Ted Calland, who was useless for us, then went to Exeter City and scored I think over 20 goals one season.Must have been late 1950's or early 1960's.

List of Players who were rubbish with us, but have gone on to be good

by tufcjon » 17 Oct 2017, 18:04

merse btpir wrote: 16 Oct 2017, 05:45 Eastbourne included loan signing Ashley Barnes who mullered Hargreaves playing at centre back all night
Untrue.

Woods and Hodges were at centre back, Wroe and Hargreaves were centre midfield.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 763398.stm

List of Players who were rubbish with us, but have gone on to be good

by wivelgull » 17 Oct 2017, 15:37

I've never seen the Leeds/Torquay video before. Fantastic!

List of Players who were rubbish with us, but have gone on to be good

by Plainmoor78 » 17 Oct 2017, 14:27

exilegull wrote: 17 Oct 2017, 10:56

Eifion Williams- hat-trick on his debut then flattered to deceive but went on and had several good years at Hartlepool.
A little unfair on Williams I think. He scored 24 goals in 107 appearances for us, a rate of 0.22 goals per game.
At Hartlepool he scored 50 goals in 208 appearances, a very similar ratio of 0.24 goals per game.

List of Players who were rubbish with us, but have gone on to be good

by Jeff » 17 Oct 2017, 14:02

Plymouth Gull wrote: 17 Oct 2017, 13:45 Soon to become the most replied to thread in forum history, then. :}

Neither McLoughlin or Keene ring a bell for me, but then in the years from 2005-2007 we had some utter, utter tosh playing for us. A look at Soccerbase shows a Patrick Flynn, who I think you mean, rather than McLoughlin (the background fits; ex Wolves, 1 game at Grimsby, never seen again!). Actually looking back at those years, there's some I don't even remember! Michael Flynn, Paul Smith, Stephen Cooke to name a few.
That will be him. Maybe slight misuse of Irish stereotyping on my part there.

Can't remember a Michael Flynn ever playing for us, but certainly remember Stephen Cooke and Paul Smith. Both were signed in the desperation of the Roberts/Kubik/Keith Curle car crash of a season. Saw both play in a particularly dreadful defeat away at Lincoln.

That season was the nadir for dismal signings (well, until now perhaps!). At that Lincoln game I remember we had a young lad at the back called Matt Halliday on loan from Norwich. The way I remember the story going was we called up Norwich to try and get Ryan Jarvis on loan - he was quite a hot property at the time and they weren't keen, but suggested we take his younger, less able brother Rossi instead. And whilst we were at it, would we fancy this Halliday lad too. Such was the chaos of that season - we went to sign one player, but ended up with 2 random other ones who we'd not even watched or even really wanted. As it was Halliday wasn't the worst player to grace the shirt.

Some terrible players that season though - Nick McCoy, Jamal Easter, Dean Oliver, Dean Gordon, Alastair John, Darren Baxter, Nathan Simpson........ it was a succession of nobodies. Even the once great David Graham was a shadow of his former self once he came back

List of Players who were rubbish with us, but have gone on to be good

by Plymouth Gull » 17 Oct 2017, 13:45

Jeff wrote: 17 Oct 2017, 13:09 I missed the Mansfield debacle, but had the pleasure of watching the Shrewsbury game and the pain of the subsequent Grimsby defeat. It was at Blundell Park where - finding ourselves 1 down with about 20 to play - myself and the mates I had gone with were calling for "Big Carl" from the bench to give us some extra fire power. The result - zero effective touches and a 3-0 defeat. "Big Carl" was never clamoured for not seen again......

I also remember we had a young RB in that game by the name of Patrick McLoughlin, a non-contractee from Wolves. He was garbage and hauled off early.

We had quite a lot of garbage in what was Leroy's "experimental" era - wasn't this the season we had a lad called Ashley Keene who had come over from the States? 20-odd minutes in a JPT tie was enough for Leroy to jettison him. Always seemed like a Ali Dia type story, as this lad was completely off the radar.

Sorry - I've turned this thread into "rubbish players who stayed rubbish" theme
Soon to become the most replied to thread in forum history, then. :}

Neither McLoughlin or Keene ring a bell for me, but then in the years from 2005-2007 we had some utter, utter tosh playing for us. A look at Soccerbase shows a Patrick Flynn, who I think you mean, rather than McLoughlin (the background fits; ex Wolves, 1 game at Grimsby, never seen again!). Actually looking back at those years, there's some I don't even remember! Michael Flynn, Paul Smith, Stephen Cooke to name a few.

List of Players who were rubbish with us, but have gone on to be good

by frenchgull » 17 Oct 2017, 13:23

Don Mills by far and away the most talented player ever to play for Torquay ,he was the "Johnny Haynes " of the lower divisions.

List of Players who were rubbish with us, but have gone on to be good

by Jeff » 17 Oct 2017, 13:09

exilegull wrote: 17 Oct 2017, 12:44 Thanks Plymouth Gull - funny how minds play tricks. It was the Grimsby game afterwards - also a 3-0 defeat!
I missed the Mansfield debacle, but had the pleasure of watching the Shrewsbury game and the pain of the subsequent Grimsby defeat. It was at Blundell Park where - finding ourselves 1 down with about 20 to play - myself and the mates I had gone with were calling for "Big Carl" from the bench to give us some extra fire power. The result - zero effective touches and a 3-0 defeat. "Big Carl" was never clamoured for not seen again......

I also remember we had a young RB in that game by the name of Patrick McLoughlin, a non-contractee from Wolves. He was garbage and hauled off early.

We had quite a lot of garbage in what was Leroy's "experimental" era - wasn't this the season we had a lad called Ashley Keene who had come over from the States? 20-odd minutes in a JPT tie was enough for Leroy to jettison him. Always seemed like a Ali Dia type story, as this lad was completely off the radar.

Sorry - I've turned this thread into "rubbish players who stayed rubbish" theme

List of Players who were rubbish with us, but have gone on to be good

by MellowYellow » 17 Oct 2017, 12:59

wivelgull wrote: 17 Oct 2017, 09:58
n.b. for the REAL Codgery: I never saw Don Mills but all the real old codgers I ever knew over the years on the pop. side would say, if asked the question 'who was the greatest of them all?' would reply 'Don Mills'.
Whilst I did see Don Mills play in his latter years I was too young to appreciate his great ball control, deceptive feints, accuracy of distribution, and the ability to ‘read’ a game and thus dictate its progress, he was an outstanding player whom sports journalists at every level racked their brains for new adjectives to describe. The ‘Mills Bomb’ was a favourite headline to describe his impact!

Torquay paid a club record fee in December 1952 and he stayed at Plainmoor for twenty years, retiring as a player in 1962. He is generally regarded as Torquay’s greatest-ever player and was officially elected as the "Greatest Player ever to play for Torquay United" in the Football League Hall of Fame in June 2007.

He was also part of one of Torquays greatest FA Cup moments in 1954/55 (the year Torquay changed colours from the old black and white to a gold and blue.) when they were drawn against Leeds United in the Third Round. Nobody expected the team to go to Elland Road and get any kind of favourable result, but managed a 2-2 draw and with over 12,000 fans at Plainmoor for the replay ran out 4-0 winners, where captain Don Mills scored one of the goals. (Click link to see highlights of the 1955, 2-2 draw - )

That set up a 4th round clash with the then mighty Huddersfield Town, at Plainmoor which will always live on in the memory of those who attended the match on the 29th January 1955. Just how 21,908 people managed to fit into the ground is a mystery. Although Torquay lost 0-1 to the then Division One club, the day is still one of greatest cup runs in Torquay United's history, and the record crowd is never likely to be beaten.

Whilst there has been many a good player over the years, as a cultured creative midfielder with an uncanny ability to score the most sublime of goals, and over 20 years loyal service, I would put Don Mills as the "greatest of them all'.

List of Players who were rubbish with us, but have gone on to be good

by exilegull » 17 Oct 2017, 12:44

Plymouth Gull wrote: 17 Oct 2017, 12:13 Indeed; Sako never hit the top flight in Germany. Re Sow, he looked so promising in the first home game I think it was, against Notts County. Also decided to take the trip to the consecutive away matches at Oxford and Mansfield - Oxford was quite a close game but Mansfield was an absolute car crash. Could barely see through the rain but both Sow and Priso were hauled off at half time I think. Priso never played again while Sow managed a handful more appearances.

The Shrewsbury game mentioned above was actually a couple of weeks after the Mansfield drubbing.
Thanks Plymouth Gull - funny how minds play tricks. It was the Grimsby game afterwards - also a 3-0 defeat!

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