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by Yorkieandy » 29 Sep 2017, 10:09

Yorkieandy wrote: 28 Sep 2017, 18:26 Has he signed yet? :rofl:

Tommo, i think you can chuck Chesterfield into the pot of those clubs who have been run so spectacularly poorly as if it were somehow intended and they will go down this season. After that who knows? Sunderland also are slowly falling into this category of clubs who are run appallingly and year on year are just fighting off the inevitable. Fortunately for Sunderland they have a bit of money and it will be league 1 not out of the football league that they drop into however it looks grim for the mackems too.

York fully deserve where they are now and in all honesty Torquay deserve NLS.
Chesterfield about to appoint club legend and man bereft of any managerial experience whatsoever Jack Lester to try and get them out of a hole.

Dear oh dear. Hargreaves ring any bells? Alarm bells.

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by Jerry » 28 Sep 2017, 19:03

He may or may not have signed a contract (although it seems unlikely he would have left a secure job at Bath to then not sign the very deal he left for) but bear in mind that the whole thing is solely based on one line in a BBC story. The Beeb are hardly known for their accurate reporting of our club are they?

Would be nice (although unlikely ;-) )if the club could confirm either way and maybe let us know how long his deal is for?

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by westyorkshiregull » 28 Sep 2017, 18:50

Agree yorkie. History and average attendance have no bearing on where we are now. We are where we are because of terrible appointments and it seems people taking advantage of our club in past.

I'm resigned to either no club or more relegation. If we were a dog we would be put down by now. With the ground and the plans it's not going to get any better

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by Yorkieandy » 28 Sep 2017, 18:26

Has he signed yet? :rofl:

Tommo, i think you can chuck Chesterfield into the pot of those clubs who have been run so spectacularly poorly as if it were somehow intended and they will go down this season. After that who knows? Sunderland also are slowly falling into this category of clubs who are run appallingly and year on year are just fighting off the inevitable. Fortunately for Sunderland they have a bit of money and it will be league 1 not out of the football league that they drop into however it looks grim for the mackems too.

York fully deserve where they are now and in all honesty Torquay deserve NLS.

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by westyorkshiregull » 25 Sep 2017, 21:28

Bruce agree , you are where you on merit but regardless it's rather pathetic. We are below where we want to be and they are above where they expect to be in all respect.

Pivotal was after deciding to sack nicho it took far too long to find a new manager. That 4 weeks was dreadfully

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by brucie » 25 Sep 2017, 21:01

Yorkieandy - To suggest that Owers and Kuhl will have performed worse than Nicholson is absolute rubbish. They have inherited a pile of shit from the previous manager which is clearly going to take time to sort out.

In effect though the whole Nicholson thing has been done to death and has become boring whatever your opinion is.

Perhaps the most damning statement on all this is that in effect we currently stand one place higher in the football pyramid above Truro. That should never ever be the case and is quite frankly ridiculous.

In fact the impossible could happen and we could actually be playing in a lower league than them next year - a farcical situation if ever there was one.

Can you imagine it most probably three divisions below Plymouth and Exeter and possible one lower than Truro. That is nothing short of pathetic.

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by Southampton Gull » 25 Sep 2017, 15:46

Tomo, don't let others put you off posting. There is validity on both sides of the argument and the truth is really about peoples perception of events. We all love the club but I guess we all just show it in different ways. Makes for a more balanced forum in any case.

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by tufcyellowarmy » 25 Sep 2017, 12:44

Here here !!!

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by tomogull » 25 Sep 2017, 12:24

Yorkieandy wrote: 24 Sep 2017, 11:37 Couldn't have put it better myself tommo.

What people will eventually come to realize when the club are finally relegated this season is that Nico kept the club up in times when the club had been firmly gripped with a cancer and that upon relegation, Owers and Kuhl will have performed worse than Nico despite having more support.

Eveything at the club is dying from the inside out and not Owers, Kuhl, Nicholson or Guardiola can stop it sadly.

Amazingly you get people STILL giving the benefit of the doubt to GI and Owers, Kuhl and putting more money in the hope bank. Owers and Kuhl will do their utmost i'm sure but it won't be anywhere near good enough to save the club. Thanks GI. :-D
Cheers Andy - and your post is spot on. My anger has been simmering for about three weeks and it was Soton Gull's good posts that prompted me to release my frustrations! I almost deleted my post before submitting, but i thought "What the hell" and clicked on 'submit'. I then stood well back, awaiting a torrent of abuse! But it didn't come. Several Forum members, including you, posted reasonably, supporting Dave's posts. Anyone who gives Nicho 'dogs abuse' (as Dave puts it) has a blinkered view of Nicho's managerial time at Plainmoor. They fail to take into account the utter shambles the club is off the field and the lack of support he received.

I will give as an example your previous club - York City. A club like Torquay with a proud history. Like Torquay, good support by National League standards. Like Torquay, a club in a mess off the field (but surely not as bad as Torquay, Andy?). I was really sorry to see them drop into the National North, but i think I know why. There was nobody at York with the steely determination of Kevin Nicholson to keep them in the National League.

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by tomogull » 24 Sep 2017, 22:30

MellowYellow wrote: 24 Sep 2017, 13:18 I admire your optimism and truly hope your predications come true. But as it stands, do we realistically have a full time squad of professional players (that numbers 26. according to Ower's) that are anywhere near talented enough to outplay part-time clubs such as Dover let alone full-time teams like Aldershot, Wrexham, or Dagenham. The MOTM thread is telling when most can just about muster three players and some only one, whilst many it appears just cant be bothered to name one. Owers has admitted he can't do anything else in the transfer market with the size of the squad he has already got so hence why, two games in, he probably is already washing his hands of the shambles, and informing us that to get out of this mire "the onus is on the players". So I guess we just have to passively accept that the players are being handed the responsibility to steer the course. Full marks to Owers though, not signing a contract, at least he has his escape plan at the ready.

Accepted my view is an opinion and I should really have greater faith, particularly as Dr Harrop has told us about the long awaited selection process in that they "were very pleased with both the quality and quantity of applications we received, providing the enviable but time-consuming position of real choice" in which "Gary and Martin emerged as our choice" ... not mind I hasten to add. 
To be a Gulls supporter, you have remain optimisic. That's all we've got ! The alternative is to give up. Gary Owers was not my choice of manager, either. In fact, when I heard the announcement I said "Who the hell is Gary Owers ?" Now that he and Martin Kuhl are here, we have to give them our support and hope they can drag us out of the mire we're in - regardless of the hapless Harrop and GI who will not be at Plainmoor for ever. We just have to hope we still have a football club when they eventually go.

There is time, but I suspect it will mean quite a bit of wheelin' and dealin' - loaning out players and bringing in loanees to replace them. As it stands tonight a quarter way through the season, we're bottom of the National League and Truro are top of National South. Surely Truro taking our place couldn't possibly happen ???? :'(

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by Southampton Gull » 24 Sep 2017, 19:54

I've made my views known on the way the club has been run for several years now and because I may know more than some people about the working circumstances of the manager it can be mistaken as just supporting Nicholson when it's actually just pointing out the glaring obvious fact that nobody could have succeeded over the last few years. I have been more than prepared to let the subject lie but people continually make unfair observations and hurl insults at someone who literally tried his best from day 1 in the job. Since he left we've not done any better yet most were in agreement the squad was improved this time round. In short, yes he made mistakes but he doesn't deserve the dogs abuse he gets without understanding the working conditions he endured.

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by Mattpuma » 24 Sep 2017, 18:44

Southampton Gull wrote: 24 Sep 2017, 17:57

Obviously your objectivity is seriously screwed because I've never made any inference whatsoever that he is a friend of mine. The rest of your argument is no different to what I've always maintained.
Ok. I accept that was poorly worded. You are, I am sure you agree, one of the most consistently pro KN posters on this site which is what I was trying to allude to .
I am not anti KN, he tried but ultimately he wasnt experienced enough for such a big job.
I guess he can take many lessons from his tenure into his future career.

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by arcadia » 24 Sep 2017, 18:12

Garry Owers is doing the same as Nicho playing Anderson left back and sticking with Reid. I hope that he woke up this morning in a different frame of mind as this has been problem positions all season.

I am sure if he gets these positions sorted and get a result and usually it starts away from home the players will gain confidence as this is sadly lacking. It would be a bonus if he could get Dowling for a three month loan as well.

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by Southampton Gull » 24 Sep 2017, 17:57

Mattpuma wrote: 24 Sep 2017, 14:31 You lack any objectivity as you claim to be his friend.
Quite simply the fitness regime and lack of preperation were shocking. Believing some bloke from the local gym is some sort of fitness guru was a massive mistake.
If you were honest he was the wrong appointment.
Employing a total novice was mindblowingly naive.
Ok he is a nice guy, he did his best. It wasnt enough sadly
However it is now pointless going on and on about Nichos failings and the fault of our current predicament lays at the feet of many others.
Obviously your objectivity is seriously screwed because I've never made any inference whatsoever that he is a friend of mine. The rest of your argument is no different to what I've always maintained.

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by Neal » 24 Sep 2017, 17:16

Southampton Gull wrote: 24 Sep 2017, 13:49 There weren't too many on here saying the squad was weaker this season before a ball was kicked.................
Too true, loads of so called experts.

The general opinion on here was that "on paper it is a better squad than last year". Love that saying "on paper", bloody ridiculous saying.

Now probably, and I havnt checked the same are saying the opposite. Gotta laugh eh

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