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by Gullscorer » 01 May 2017, 21:14

Clarke Osborne is certainly not a charity, nor should we expect him to be. And he's not going to work miracles. On the contrary, he's going to ensure that the club does not spend beyond its means. And that's fair enough. Indeed such an approach must be essential. And that should be enough to provide an opportunity for steady progress next season up the table to a safe mid-table position, and even hopefully into the play-offs. We cannot expect more than that, and should not expect less.

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by Neal » 01 May 2017, 20:53

nickbrod wrote: 01 May 2017, 20:18 I reckon, no matter what other posters think, we can't second guess what Clarke Osborne will decide about the way forward. His decisions could well be unpredictable.
He's a ruthless businessman who knows what to say to keep us football fans placated.
The next week could well be interesting.
He's a ruthless businessman who knows what to say to keep some football fans placated.

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by Gullscorer » 01 May 2017, 20:32

Latest: http://www.devonlive.com/clarke-osborne ... story.html

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by nickbrod » 01 May 2017, 20:18

I reckon, no matter what other posters think, we can't second guess what Clarke Osborne will decide about the way forward. His decisions could well be unpredictable.
He's a ruthless businessman who knows what to say to keep us football fans placated.
The next week could well be interesting.

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by Dave » 01 May 2017, 19:26

If the club was going to change the manager, that should have been done back in in late January early February, the position the club is now, and we all know, even those of us who were in the give G.I a chance camp, they're not going to pour money into the club, so with that in mind, the best was forward now would be to keep the current manager in place, who knows this squad of players, knows who's likely to want to stay, amongst those worth trying to keep at the club, there isn't the time for someone new to come in, and get a squad ready for the new season, on the likely player budget.

I maintained before, and all the way through the season, the squad we had was more than capable of a mid table finish, the team finished the season 6 points off 11th place, looking back at the Solihull Moors and Guiseley home games, both should have been won all day long, down to how the games panned out, there's the 6 points that would have given us 11th place finish in the league, and that's what formed a large part of the criticism I levelled against Nicho, however he's been very honest about his own performance, fair play, so no need to drag up old stuff.

The point is, it proves the nucleolus of the current squad , with the addition , and some creative thinking is going to be needed, as Nicho will not have the money to bring proven players, can easily be competitive next time around.

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by leetufc » 01 May 2017, 17:45

Southampton Gull wrote: 01 May 2017, 16:01 I think the point you're missing is that GI won't invest enough to make starting afresh a viable proposition. Much better to try and keep the ones we know possess a little quality and support them with 'better' cheap options than this year.

Anyone holding out for significant investment in the playing squad is deluding themselves. A fresh start with a new group of players/management offers no guarantee of being any better and as history has shown us, we rarely improve through changing the personnel. The only time it happened was under Buckle who we all know had an exceptional budget to work with.
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by Southampton Gull » 01 May 2017, 16:01

I think the point you're missing is that GI won't invest enough to make starting afresh a viable proposition. Much better to try and keep the ones we know possess a little quality and support them with 'better' cheap options than this year.

Anyone holding out for significant investment in the playing squad is deluding themselves. A fresh start with a new group of players/management offers no guarantee of being any better and as history has shown us, we rarely improve through changing the personnel. The only time it happened was under Buckle who we all know had an exceptional budget to work with.

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by Plainmoor78 » 01 May 2017, 15:42

I can't believe people are suggesting we need to keep the bulk of the squad and just a few additions here or there would produce a promotion challenging team.
Get real, this was possibly the worst side in our history. Leaving aside GI issues if we just go with more of the same we will be fighting relegation again next season and sooner or later we will fall through the trap door. I realize people are grateful to the side for avoiding relegation, but it hasnt been too long ago since the Sutton/Guisley debacle.

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by nickbrod » 01 May 2017, 11:44

To pick up on a couple of points made on this thread.
Sam Chaney: Did I dream I have read that he's the only player contracted for another season?
Brendan Moore: In the Braintree programme he made the following comments about his goalkeeping coach Kenny Griffiths: "Kenny has been great throughout the season and I speak to him almost every day. He puts me through drills that, because there isn't another goalie here at the moment, I wouldn't be able to do on my own. It helps to have someone who is a goalie themselves and he's able to pick up on things that maybe I wouldn't be able to."
Interestingly Brendan adds," The biggest improvements (in my game) have been with my communication and decision making, when to come for a cross and when to stay."
I'll leave it to others to agree or disagree!

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by IanGull01 » 01 May 2017, 11:34

http://m.devonlive.com/clarke-osborne-s ... story.html

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by tomogull » 01 May 2017, 11:05

forevertufc wrote: 30 Apr 2017, 17:11 Chaney in my view does have potential, we saw his first cross into the box after he came on, it was inch perfect and the team nearly scored from it, his second just a few minutes later, hopelessly over hit, going out for a goal kick, and he is a tad lightweight, that to me isn't massive problem.

Think Chaney could well benefit from getting a development contract at a much bigger club, where he would get the help and coaching to adapt his game, making his slight frame less of an issue, and time to tidy up his technical ability, he'll never get that at TUFC, we don't have the time, the staff or the resource.
I'm nodding my head in agreement with both Arcadia and Forever re Sam Chaney. He needs to play matches but his ideal position, I think, is where Luke Young plays and he isn't going to get many opportunities whilst arguably the best player at the club is fit. Last season, we played so-called Development Matches against local sides which at least gave fringe players, young players and triallists match practice. This season, we'd have trouble fielding a five-a-side Development side.

And yes - young Sam would beneflt from coaching at a bigger club which he won't get at Plainmoor. He reminds me of a scrawny lad, also a midfielder, from North Devon. I believe he was offered a short-term contract but Roy McFarland, then at Cambridge, recognised his potential and offered a 12 month contract. That player was Luke Guttridge who has gone on to a good career with lower league clubs and is currently in the Dagengham & Redbridge play-off team.

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by desperado » 30 Apr 2017, 20:11

Agree with Tomogulls post and some interesting stats re goals conceded, suggesting that some defeats could easily
have turned into points
We have a young team who are improving as individuals and as a team and we have to be patient as obviously
funds are not going to be made available for better players. 2 or 3 additions in key areas should see an improvement
to mid table or flirting with play offs. Some 'mental' coaching also needed , we must treat every opponent as if they
were top of the table. Moore is not a problem , I have seen 22 home games, not sure how many Merse has seen

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by Zippy » 30 Apr 2017, 17:24

I would keep chaney, as for lathflop and rowe turnip and Richards they are not good enough. gerring will get the chop I reckon and hancox and harrod.

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by Dave » 30 Apr 2017, 17:11

arcadia wrote: 30 Apr 2017, 14:45 Hectors view is interesting but Chaney will never improve on the bench, playing wide or playing in a struggling side.
Hector in my opinion is on right lines with Chaney, the view expressed that Chaney is some sort Sunday league pub player is harsh, and unfair, but the problem is, Chaney is way off the finished article even for the national league, and when your teams fighting to beat the drop, no manager has the luxury to put a player like that in the team.

The sentiment you've expressed many times about young players needing games to improve is correct, yes they do, but they need so much more than that, they need mentoring and good coaching along side games, other wise any technical or mentality flaws they might have will only be compounded not fixed by just playing games.

Chaney in my view does have potential, we saw his first cross into the box after he came on, it was inch perfect and the team nearly scored from it, his second just a few minutes later, hopelessly over hit, going out for a goal kick, and he is a tad lightweight, that to me isn't massive problem.

Think Chaney could well benefit from getting a development contract at a much bigger club, where he would get the help and coaching to adapt his game, making his slight frame less of an issue, and time to tidy up his technical ability, he'll never get that at TUFC, we don't have the time, the staff or the resource.

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by Plainmoor78 » 30 Apr 2017, 16:51

tomogull wrote: 30 Apr 2017, 15:17
We have to be realistic - we are not going to get a promotion side overnight but hopefully slowly build on what we've got.
The only way you can slowly build on what we've got is by offering multi season contracts and I can't see that happening. Any decent players we had playing for us this season will have attracted the attention of our rivals, if any of those should make a better offer then we lose those players.

Merse is right down where we are you literally have to start from scratch every season.

All that said we now have a director of recruitment, who in his short time here seems to already have benefitted the team via his reporting on our opponents. Whether he will be able to help whoever is manager to source better players I don't know. It would be interesting to know whether with Dave Hedges help Nico would have been more successful over the whole season.

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