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[quote=Neal post_id=202806 time=1491048925 user_id=342]
Merse

How much is the rent that the club pays the council pa?
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Think I read somewhere its £16,000.

Merse

How much is the rent that the club pays the council pa?

[quote=Louis post_id=202795 time=1491040375 user_id=2]

For those just logging on this morning and missed it: I had some fun with the censored words list for April fools day, no hack. :)
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"The" is a censored word?????
Mind you it was worth it to see Gullscorer's posts referring to 'wonderful EU'. :lol:

Surely the best one was organised by Cedric Munslow and the Exeter City kitman who mutually arranged fortheir respective clubs to run out in one another's shirts before their April 1st games one season.

Well done Louis, you had me fooled, but thats not difficult !
Does anyone remember Spotlight doing one on us in the mid eighties, said we had signed an Italian striker
Primo Aprilo, that was the legendary BBC guy Wood Dickacre

[quote=tomogull post_id=202788 time=1491004245 user_id=20311]


Well, thank Gawd for your post. I thought it was me 'cos I haven't taken my pills yet !! Obviously, the hackers have hacked. There's a wonderful headache for you, Louis !! :@
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For those just logging on this morning and missed it: I had some fun with the censored words list for April fools day, no hack. :)

Not guilty ;-)

[quote=Plainmoor78 post_id=202786 time=1491003412 user_id=23804]
I suppose wonderful admin think it this is funny. It equates to censorship [/quote]

Well, thank Gawd for your post. I thought it was me 'cos I haven't taken my pills yet !! Obviously, the hackers have hacked. There's a wonderful headache for you, Louis !! :@

Its **** April fool isn't it. Wonderful.

I suppose the admin think it this is funny. It equates to censorship

The fact is we were up shit creek before GI even emerged on the scene. Also had they not taken over we would have been in administration with a ten point deduction, virtually guaranteeing relegation. Like or not, if GI walked away now we have no money to carry on.
GI never wanted the club after walking away last year and only came back in to protect their loan. I suspect their plans for the club have run into problems and won't be sorted out till after the season has finished.
GI haven't helped themselves through lack of communication with stakeholders and this has resulted in the current state of hostility from the fanbase.
But the fact is : Before GI up shit creek, with GI up shit creek, after GI up shit creek.

No Plainmoor 78 we will be well and truly **** if GI don't get out. Let's not get daft about it they in for the one reason - to build on the ground and make money. If there is a big enough surplus we would get a replacement ground --- what realistically are the chances of that?! --- it all makes no commercial sense at all-- and who do you think is going to be biggest loser-- those who support the club-- there will no club and no ground.

If GI are in for successful stadium management let's see a 5 year plan showing how they achieve it AT PLAiNMOOR.

[quote=Plainmoor78 post_id=202749 time=1490971462 user_id=23804][i][b] As much as I have sympathy for Nico he hasn't shown that he can produce a competitive side, we really can do without producing another sacred cow who is beyond criticism as Thea is. We need to be realistic and find the right personnel who can take this club forward.[/b][/i]

That hits the nail very firmly on the head and should be the thought process going through whoever it is responsible for the future direction of the club. There [b]ARE[/b] people out there with a track record of producing success in this league with amongst the smallest budgets within it. There are people producing successful teams in the couple of levels below National League who are producing successful teams.
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It is from amongst this fraternity that the club should have recruited before and must in the future if they are to change the management in the summer.[/b]

[quote=Jack post_id=202732 time=1490946854 user_id=23694]
OK so we are stuck with GI and we will have to live with the consequences.
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I'm sorry I misinterpreted your reply.
I know this is going to be unpopular but we have to admit that if GI hadn't taken over we would still be in the same shit, or have been liquidated already as merse suggested. If GI hadn't made the original loans we would have probably been relegated last season.
I get a feeling that the reason GI didn't invest in the side is due to their plans hitting a wall, and that wall may be that the council will not sell them the freehold of plainmoor.
If GI chose to get out now we will be truly ****. As much as I have sympathy for Nico he hasn't shown that he can produce a competitive side, we really can do without producing another sacred cow who is beyond criticism as Thea is. We need to be realistic and find the right personnel who can take this club forward. I am concerned that merse has hinted that the board may be peopled by those who probably share most of the blame for our current situation. As for GI's real intentions we can only hope they are sincere, but I am in no doubt that if they walk we have had it.

[b]As you correctly say Jack; GI [i]are[/i] reluctant owners of Torquay United. Torbay Council is obliged to get the best deal in cash or in kind for local taxpayers if it sells Plainmoor. "In kind" would have to be a stadium that at least matched Plainmoor and GI are unlikely to make very much from a deal and any income could be a long time coming.[/b]

Remember when GI had a look at it before they walked away; they only walked back to protect their loans to the club which had become unpayable and so they took the equity put up as co-lateral.

Those are the simple facts with the provision that GI might have been playing a carrot and stick game by offering that injection of working capital to the last owners knowing full well they would be unable to repay it unless they found another buyer. It is history now that they did not, that they had a big decision to make and in the end had it made for them by Clarke Osborne.

When shouting this and shouting that; people need to keep the actualite of the situation at the forefront of their mind. What would have happened post Christmas if nobody else had been there to pay the wages? The club would have gone into administration and the company quite likely been liquidated and the football club as we know it already dead and buried.

Something else that currently worries me is this quest by Osborne to recruit a 'local board' and my suspicion that many of those he has approached have turned him down. where does that leave him then; turning to people like Bill Phillips to fulfil that role? Turning to people like Simon Baker to return?

I don't need to tell you what Dave (SG) and I think about that prospect; just imagine the pair who oversaw daily losses of almost £2,000 a day ~ a day mark you ~ ever getting a hands on role within the club again. They would be at odds with Osborne and Chris Rich within the month! Their total and abject failure to ever put in the necessary revenue strams is what led to the demise of the cub under Thea Bristow anyway and her appalling inability to realise what was going on was damaging both to her personal finances and to the club's long term future.

[b]No; we need better than that. Clarke Osborne needs better than that and I suspect he knows it![/b]