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by happytorq » 14 Dec 2016, 14:26

lucy6lucy wrote:Well we may as well give up now according to you too, so happytorq, you mention money/donations lacking what have you given monetary wise. Probably nought, maybe a fiver into the players fund. All this negativity is a joke.
Crikey, those russian hackers really are everywhere if you have insight into my finances.

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by Gullscorer » 10 Dec 2016, 10:25

:goodpost: :-D

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by gullpower » 10 Dec 2016, 09:39

Gullscorer wrote: That's all very well, and it may have worked at some other clubs, but have any of them achieved that much as a result? And why do I not trust the TUST any more than I trust any other owner or potential owner of the club? Nothing I can put my finger on, but somehow the TUST is failing to win people over..
I suppose their biggest achievement is that these clubs are still in existence. Unfortunately supporter’s trusts, more often than not, end up being the buyer of last resort when a club fails and therefore it’s not surprising that they struggle.

You probably do not trust TUST because of the misconceptions that supporters have of them.

TUST does not want to run the club. TUST wants supporters to run the club. The TUST board are not people with egos that want to use it as a vehicle to put themselves in positions of power. TUST’s aim is to facilitate the running of the club by the supporters who would then vote for the people who would run it.

There’s plenty of information to back this up. Check out the TUST website. The Supporters Direct site is a mine of information. Dare I say it again – read Punk Football. It only costs 2 quid a month to be a member of TUST – so why not get involved and find out what it is you can’t put your finger on. You can always leave if you don't like what you see.

It's a shame that while TUST is a supporter’s organisation that aims to represent all supporters, the supporters themselves seem to divide themselves into two camps, those for or against community ownership. Hopefully Andy Candy’s thread on this and other forums will enable those that are sceptical of TUST to become more informed and supportive of their aims.

And hopefully on Friday it will be announced that the new owners will be investing heavily in the club and problems such as GI/Masters and whether TUST could or could not save the club if it goes into administration will have gone away. But with the Boards current record I am not holding my breath.

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by lucy6lucy » 09 Dec 2016, 21:06

Burnhamgull wrote: :goodpost:
Well we may as well give up now according to you too, so happytorq, you mention money/donations lacking what have you given monetary wise. Probably nought, maybe a fiver into the players fund. All this negativity is a joke.

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by Burnhamgull » 09 Dec 2016, 19:44

happytorq wrote: For me it's typical of the attitude of the football fans in South Devon. We'll bitch and whinge while things aren't going well, but ask us to contribute anything and suddenly we go quiet. I mean, we've had really good sides at Plainmoor on occasion and still struggled to sell out.

For as long as I've been a fan (call it 20 years), Torquay United has never really grabbed the imagination of the people who live in the area. Maybe that's because of the apparent apathy towards the end of the Bateson era, or maybe it's changing demographics and football on television, but even when I was a kid it was hard to justify being a Torquay supporter to people. That sort of thing has only worsened over the years. You can talk about salaries, disposable incomes etc in the Bay but at it's heart I think the biggest problem is that South Devon just...doesn't care.
:goodpost:

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by Dazza » 09 Dec 2016, 19:33

I will agree South Devon is probably not the easiest.

However n-to claim that a different form of the species lives there with deep pockets and a shaking heads staring inanely at Sky Sports goes way too far . I have never had any problem saying I was a Torquay fan- people actually admire you for it IMO. Only twenty years happytorq ? It takes a lot longer than that!

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by happytorq » 09 Dec 2016, 19:14

Gullscorer wrote: That's all very well, and it may have worked at some other clubs, but have any of them achieved that much as a result? And why do I not trust the TUST any more than I trust any other owner or potential owner of the club? Nothing I can put my finger on, but somehow the TUST is failing to win people over..
For me it's typical of the attitude of the football fans in South Devon. We'll bitch and whinge while things aren't going well, but ask us to contribute anything and suddenly we go quiet. I mean, we've had really good sides at Plainmoor on occasion and still struggled to sell out.

For as long as I've been a fan (call it 20 years), Torquay United has never really grabbed the imagination of the people who live in the area. Maybe that's because of the apparent apathy towards the end of the Bateson era, or maybe it's changing demographics and football on television, but even when I was a kid it was hard to justify being a Torquay supporter to people. That sort of thing has only worsened over the years. You can talk about salaries, disposable incomes etc in the Bay but at it's heart I think the biggest problem is that South Devon just...doesn't care.

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by PhilGull » 09 Dec 2016, 18:38

Gullscorer wrote: That's all very well, and it may have worked at some other clubs, but have any of them achieved that much as a result? And why do I not trust the TUST any more than I trust any other owner or potential owner of the club? Nothing I can put my finger on, but somehow the TUST is failing to win people over..

This is a problem. I think the way the club (boards past and present) have acted towards the TUST, the way the Herald Express have ignored the TUST, the way a disproportionately large number of the loudest shouters are hideously ill-informed when it comes to TUST - all work towards people not understanding (not sure every case goes as far as trust) the TUST and what they are about. Hopefully with Andy Candy on board we will start to see an improvement in the public image.

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by Gullscorer » 09 Dec 2016, 06:34

gullpower wrote:You have completely ignored TUST and the Community Shares Pre-Issue. How about...the fans get behind the club, put £100 into the fund, a community share issue is launched and the supporters buy, own and run the club?
And before all the anti-TUST brigade start screaming "Burn the TUST militant at the stake", it has been done and works at other clubs of our size in the lower divisions.
Well done for breaking the silence though.
Join TUST. Dream in yellow. :scarf:
That's all very well, and it may have worked at some other clubs, but have any of them achieved that much as a result? And why do I not trust the TUST any more than I trust any other owner or potential owner of the club? Nothing I can put my finger on, but somehow the TUST is failing to win people over..

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by gullpower » 07 Dec 2016, 21:27

PhilGull wrote: The people of Torbay, and the wider South West region don't care for their football teams..
I think you’re right. But why should they? Just because TUFC has a long and proud history, being able to trace its origins back to 1899 and having played The Beautiful Game on the same spot on the planet since 1910, does not give it the God given right to expect the general public to file through the turnstiles handing over their hard earned cash.

In the early 21st century most blokes believe that being into football means sitting in the pub in their Man U shirt watching the match on a big screen. (Other foreign owned, foreign funded, foreign managed clubs with foreign players are available.) And why shouldn’t they? After all, the Premier League can be seen as a world league played on English soil. They’re simply doing what footballs fans are doing the world over. Sky and BT Sport have seen to that.

However, I do know blokes who, with their kids and sometimes with their wives, will come up to Plainmoor when there’s a big game, or they will go down to Plymouth to watch a match or occasionally they may travel up to Manchester or London to watch a Premier League game. It’s these football fans that the club needs to be targeting. And it’s not just about having a winning team (although obviously that helps).

I lose count of the people that ask me how we got on at the weekend, or know how we got on and want to know what sort of a game it was or to ask about the bloke who scored the hat trick. These people are interested and if there was a positive buzz around the club and there was a good chance of seeing an entertaining game and a good possibility of a win they would be going through the turnstiles and handing over their hard earned cash.

And a buzz around the club that is all about a take-over that nobody knows anything about coupled with stories in the press about players going to matches in their own cars, Nicho driving the minibus and the coach breaking down is anything but positive.

The sooner the club has new owners (which includes TUST) who will invest in the club and understand that they are in the entertainment business, the better. Think of the buzz that buying and having a player like Kieffer Moore would create… local lad, loads of class, bangs goals in like they’re going out of fashion. Priceless.

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by Dazza » 06 Dec 2016, 19:09

Accepted - when can you pay the money Hipster.

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by Plainmoor78 » 06 Dec 2016, 18:45

Dazza wrote:
( we don't mind you have red hair\tattoos and a peculiar sense of humour )
Are you suggesting our only hope of salvation is a **** hipster?
**** hell they'll be serving exotic breakfast cereals and craft ales in the gulls nest.

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by Dazza » 06 Dec 2016, 18:34

I agree with most of what you say.

But is it really anyone's fault. ?

Have we really had anyone with necessary revenue to prop up the club and allow it to turn round. That person is likely to need ?? 250k in annual revenue they are prepared to inject so that person has to have at least an eight figure annual salary. Yes they do exist- more and more of them every year according to statistics.

People like that don't however come easy or often. They have seemingly propped up at many clubs but not at Torquay. If there is such a person out there reading this ( we don't mind you have red hair\tattoos and a peculiar sense of humour )' please please please come forward.

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by Plainmoor78 » 06 Dec 2016, 15:38

Agree with everything Happytorq says. Its not about a winning team, its about a club that tries.
What with the take over fiasco, the team match day transport shenanigans (which are just one of the symptoms of the general malaise) I have come to despair of the situation, perhaps more than in the Dave Webb era and that's saying something.

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