Torquay United Fans Forum

forevertufc wrote:What should ring alarm bells here with this TUfans Ltd, is they come on to the forum telling us they've done their due Diligence, yet all they've done in reality is what any 12 year old studying I.T at school could have done, that's used an internet search engine to find some info and then copied and pasted said information, that isn't due diligence. TU fans Ltd do come across, that they really don't actually know what their talking about.

In posting this I don't know what their point is, Are they trying tell us the ACV or covenants don't protect the ground from a praying vulture, if so, then I agree with them, if I've understood the ACV correctly should an organisation table a bid for the freehold, it would give TUST 6 months to table a rival bid, please correct me if I have that wrong, with the general lack of support TUST has from the clubs fan base, would they be able to come up with enough funds.

As for any covenant don't get me started on those, they're often not as watertight as people think, and ridiculously easy to get around, or even removed altogether.

As far as any takeover is concerned as already said, I've no idea at all on this subject, but the key word for me is "trust" not to be confused with TUST, do I/we trust the current board to do absolutely the right think by our football club. I trust them 100%.

Best of luck TU fans Ltd, you won't be getting a penny from me, or a second of my time.

Actually they even got that part wrong, when I was at school I was the king of 'copy and paste' for alot of my homework (particularly with History).
The trick is to copy and paste, then remove certain words and swap them with 'dumbed down' words, remove comma's and bullet points, in some places, completely change paragraphs.
These guys have not even tried to hide the fact they copy and pasted, which is a big fat FAIL!

What should ring alarm bells here with this TUfans Ltd, is they come on to the forum telling us they've done their due Diligence, yet all they've done in reality is what any 12 year old studying I.T at school could have done, that's used an internet search engine to find some info and then copied and pasted said information, that isn't due diligence. TU fans Ltd do come across, that they really don't actually know what their talking about.

In posting this I don't know what their point is, Are they trying tell us the ACV or covenants don't protect the ground from a praying vulture, if so, then I agree with them, if I've understood the ACV correctly should an organisation table a bid for the freehold, it would give TUST 6 months to table a rival bid, please correct me if I have that wrong, with the general lack of support TUST has from the clubs fan base, would they be able to come up with enough funds.

As for any covenant don't get me started on those, they're often not as watertight as people think, and ridiculously easy to get around, or even removed altogether.

As far as any takeover is concerned as already said, I've no idea at all on this subject, but the key word for me is "trust" not to be confused with TUST, do I/we trust the current board to do absolutely the right think by our football club. I trust them 100%.

Best of luck TU fans Ltd, you won't be getting a penny from me, or a second of my time.

Hardly surprising they weren't taken seriously when Authers approached the club about wanting to buy it. I can just picture the look on his face if and when he was told to come back when he had raised 500k.

I find it irritating that they have timed their recent outbursts to coincide with the current task we face on the playing field.

Great postings by taxilady and Rich.

Who the directors are is public information:

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... 8/officers

I cannot help but agree with all the points raised above. If there was substance behind their claims / bid I would have expected to have heard a lot more about them in the Herald and other media. Raising these sort of points in a fans forum makes me question nearly everything they say... with no disrespect to this forum I would add !

There are two other points I would like to raise.

1) Exactly who are these people

I found the attached on the other forum from December 2015 which gives a bit of an insight

"WITHOUT PREJUDICE

Good evening to you all

I have been following these posts this evening and felt it was imperative to reply as it has been highlighted, by many of you above, that myself (Keira Roberts) and my husband (Shaun Roberts) were Directors of Torquay United afc!

As some of you have suggested we were never able to share with you 'the fans' why we left the club so early on in the season! After reading some of the comments I feel it is necessary to reply as this is not just boardroom politics but born out of genuine concern for our beloved yellows!!!!

We originally left as it became apparent that the board and certain members of staff were not looking to take the club in the same direction as ourselves. We became Directors to help the club move onwards and upwards and not to line others pockets!

In the same vein that's why we have set up the company Torquay United fans LTD with our associates. We felt it was necessary that our concerns were shared with our fans, as fans ourselves, to help save our club from relegation and possible administration! "

Associates ? Its all very vague and without a lot more information I for one would not give them the time of day. Can anyone put any factual meat on the bones ?

2) They continually seem to be knocking TUST. Yes, I am a member of that group and do not always agree with the timing of announcements etc but I have no doubt at all that they really do have the interest of Torquay united at heart. I am waiting to see how this all pans out before considering supporting the TUST in a bigger way financially. My support to the players fund is unlikely to go on for ever . I suspect there are many other people with a similar watching brief and TUFans Ltd would be wise to bear that in mind. TUST will grow over time in whatever role is found to be necessary.

Their comments seem to be rather un needed at this time

PhilGull wrote: I think they did. I understand that these are the guys who left soon after the board took over. Obviously have some sort of grudge against the current board.

Shame they can't be more grown up about things. If they had gone to TUST with their cash we could be looking at actual proper fan ownership now.

I suspect that is something that doesn't interest them. They just want our money and then to be able to Lord it over Plainmoor like some reincarnation of Mike Bateson but without the nous, personality or money.

gateman49 wrote:Here is a p.s. to what Taxilady and Richinns have posted:

If TU Fans Ltd have all the capital that they claim to have why didn't they put it into the pot when the current board was being set up?

I think they did. I understand that these are the guys who left soon after the board took over. Obviously have some sort of grudge against the current board.

Shame they can't be more grown up about things. If they had gone to TUST with their cash we could be looking at actual proper fan ownership now.

Here is a p.s. to what Taxilady and Richinns have posted:

If TU Fans Ltd have all the capital that they claim to have why didn't they put it into the pot when the current board was being set up?

I would be interested in who thought the naming TU Fans Ltd is a legitimate one. It seems to me that they just throw vicious rumour and conjecture around with no substance to back up their claims. They have never been introduced in an official capacity. Who is their chairman? Who is on their board? Where has the fund raising income come from? (I have never been asked to contribute as with the TUST)? Why won't they respond to questions about their 'press releases'? Do you not realise that currently you just come across as a bunch of billy bullshitters?

They are very much come across as a bunch of troublemakers running a amateurish campaign which neither the TUST nor the club want to interact with. Dropping bombs and waiting to see the fall out is far from professional and trust me when I say myself (and much of the Torquay fan base) are currently very much of the opinion that you do not represent us so therefore should change your name post-haste.

It's a shame more supporters didn't get behind TUST and having Torquay Fans Limited on board would have given some impetus to the cause. This may have given more supporters belief that TUST/the fans could purchase and run the club.

Taxilady sums up my feelings on the subject perfectly.

taxilady wrote:FACT : the TUST officials have been elected by, & are answerable to us, the fans; TUST are the fans. The TUST officials thought that it was a damned good idea ages ago to apply for Plainmoor to become an asset of community value. They explained it all at the time. They (we) applied, & they (we) were successful. The TUST receives our money through subscriptions, appeals & a lottery; puts it all in the bank & every month publishes all the sums, down to the last penny, to all the members.
Suddenly Torquay fans ltd wants to invent the wheel all over again. They want to explain an asset of community value to us (been there, done that, applied for, got it); they want our money (you can't have it, my money's already going to TUST & if I don't like what they're doing with it, I can say so. If I don't like what they're saying on my behalf, I can say so. Why ? Because I'm a member of the Trust !!!
It's true that TUST doesn't have a lot of funds at the moment,but the amount that they (we) do have is growing every month. Why someone would seek to split the fanbase up at the moment is beyond me. If Torquay Fans Ltd want to help ( ???) they should join the TUST. Simples !!!

Kitrobin makes very pertinent points and Taxilady sums it all up, an accountable vehicle already exists for the purchase of the freehold of Plainmoor. Stick with the TUST, we know what their intentions are and its all for the good of the club. I am going to up my sub to the TUST because I want them to own the freehold of Plainmoor. I trust TUST.

Sorry, I assumed this was part of the Trust (who I support and belong to).
We don't need two groups splitting fans and resources on this.

FACT : the TUST officials have been elected by, & are answerable to us, the fans; TUST are the fans. The TUST officials thought that it was a damned good idea ages ago to apply for Plainmoor to become an asset of community value. They explained it all at the time. They (we) applied, & they (we) were successful. The TUST receives our money through subscriptions, appeals & a lottery; puts it all in the bank & every month publishes all the sums, down to the last penny, to all the members.
Suddenly Torquay fans ltd wants to invent the wheel all over again. They want to explain an asset of community value to us (been there, done that, applied for, got it); they want our money (you can't have it, my money's already going to TUST & if I don't like what they're doing with it, I can say so. If I don't like what they're saying on my behalf, I can say so. Why ? Because I'm a member of the Trust !!!
It's true that TUST doesn't have a lot of funds at the moment,but the amount that they (we) do have is growing every month. Why someone would seek to split the fanbase up at the moment is beyond me. If Torquay Fans Ltd want to help ( ???) they should join the TUST. Simples !!!