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forevertufc wrote:Get where your coming from Jeff on all your points. Regards the keeper though, he knows very early that ball is going over his head, and reacts far, far to late.

If the Braintree keeper reacts quicker and steps quickly backwards to towards his goal facing the ball as he would have been coached to do, he may just have got back into time to have kept it out, and killed off any argument from happening full stop.

I agree with what you are saying - the keeper was probably on his heels expecting a leisurely ball to bounce into him, and by the time he realised what was unfolding it was too late for him to do anything about it.

What riles me is that the whole Guiseley setup don't seem to see what they have done wrong.

I sincerely hope that when we play them, if a Guiseley player goes down injured when we are in possession we don't kick the ball out. Clearly they are a club that cannot be trusted to play the game in the right spirit

Get where your coming from Jeff on all your points. Regards the keeper though, he knows very early that ball is going over his head, and reacts far, far to late.

If the Braintree keeper reacts quicker and steps quickly backwards to towards his goal facing the ball as he would have been coached to do, he may just have got back into time to have kept it out, and killed off any argument from happening full stop.

lucy6lucy wrote:

What if it goes to the wire away at guiseley on the last day we need an equaliser to stay up and in the last minute we did the same, would you want us to let them score from kick off :aww: I doubt very much

You've missed my point. I was referring to the behaviour of their supporters. They were celebrating like that was perfectly legitimate, and it wasn't a relegation 6 pointer. I think it's deplorable behaviour from the club and its fans.

With regards to the other comments, the keepers position and reaction is irrelevant. In every other instance where this situation has occurred, a "free goal" has been provided in return. And anyway, my interpretation is that ball is way too far above the keeper for him to do anything about it anyway

As I said on the other thread, Think all have to take a close look at the Braintree keeper. Think the referee is powerless to act here, it's normal for the other team allow, the offended against side to score unopposed.

You'd hope that all teams including TUFC would do the right thing regardless of the consequences, however if relegation was riding on it, as Lucy says, would we want our team to do the right thing, and how would we feel if they did.

Jeff wrote:Absolutely - regardless of whether the player meant to put it there, or if Guiseley think the keeper could have made more of an effort, in that situation you give a goal back whatever the circumstance.

Quite why Guiseley thought otherwise is beyond me

EDIT - Having now watched the clip back with sound on it, the Guiseley fans truly come across as a cretinous bunch. As if you would celebrate that - I'd be deeply ashamed if that situation manifested itself for TUFC and we behaved the same way.

What if it goes to the wire away at guiseley on the last day we need an equaliser to stay up and in the last minute we did the same, would you want us to let them score from kick off :aww: I doubt very much

This is on another thread as well see:

Sad day for Football on 'Banterboard', can they be combined on some way?

Absolutely - regardless of whether the player meant to put it there, or if Guiseley think the keeper could have made more of an effort, in that situation you give a goal back whatever the circumstance.

Quite why Guiseley thought otherwise is beyond me

EDIT - Having now watched the clip back with sound on it, the Guiseley fans truly come across as a cretinous bunch. As if you would celebrate that - I'd be deeply ashamed if that situation manifested itself for TUFC and we behaved the same way.

I agree but in that situation you give the other team a goal and shake hands after.

I'm actually not sure he meant that, look at the way he strikes the ball, its very relaxed, the keeper is of his line and does not react? Strange one???

Thank you Dave. Jeff is absolutely right Guiseley are going to take a long time to live this incident down.

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I have no idea how Mark Bower could call that a grey area! The onus would have been on him to have instructed his team to concede and he should be ashamed of his actions. Where is the spirit of the game!?

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Jeff I take your point that Southport,Chester, Barrow and Guiseley could be drawn in to the mix if they have a really shocking run in.

Southport are 13 points ahead of us but we have 3 games in hand of them.

The 5 home games we have against fellow strugglers will be key if we are to survive.

What happened in the Guiseley game last weekend? Gamesmanship?

Looking at Guiseley's fixtures they are easily the hardest ones "on paper" other than:
Boreham Wood away on 23rd April and
TUFC at home on 30th April !!!
However, we all know the only thing certain is the unexpected.

I think that if we can get a win on Saturday, that will be curtains for Kidderminster as the gap between us and them will be huge, with us having a sizable number of games in hand. Welling I also think are goners, I didn't realise how poor their form was until I looked before our game against them.

With regards to the rest, I disagree that its "just" between us, Altrincham, Halifax and Boreham Wood. If results go favourably for us this weekend, the likes of Chester, Guiseley, Barrow and maybe even Southport will still be in play. We've still got to play 6 of those teams - and 5 of them at home - and we have games in hand on all of them. Every year some team hits a rotten patch of form around March and makes a late dash for the relegation spots. Too many sides this season have been ticking over without really hitting bad form.

Given their "gamesmanship" last weekend, it wouldn't surprise me or upset me to see Guiseley become that team who drop. Their attitude won't have done them any favours or won them any friends, and I don't see them getting many benefit of the doubt decisions over the next few games. Could be critical