New Striker. Krystian Pearce.

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New Striker. Krystian Pearce.

by tommyg » 29 Oct 2014, 14:46

Sunnysideup wrote: From what Ive seen over the last month or so, we are clearly not creating many clear chances in dangerous areas. Thats probably why Bowman's goals have dried up.
Like most strikers at the lower levels, he needs 4 or so chances to put one away but he's no longer getting that (same as Benyon and Hawley last season). If he was good enough to do better than that regularly, he wouldnt be at our level. Cameron has gone from looking like a contender for player of the season to seemingly displaying a total lack of confidence in his ability. Briscoe looks better as a 2nd striker as he doesnt appear to have the stamina to play as a wide player. Ajala can look good at going past players but end product into danger areas is lacking. Thats why our biggest threat at present appears to be from set plays.
Disagree with this. We've been creating plenty of chances over the last few games. Bowman has been responsible for most misses - he should easily be on double figures by now. Hopefully when one goes his confidence will return but I've not been impressed with what I've seen so far. In an ideal world we would be looking at bringing in a new striker but our defeat on Saturday has probably ended any chance of that happening. O'Achie is a useful player to have in the squad but often plays with his back to goal, Yeoman isn't consistent enough and will probably be released at the end of the season and Benyon isn't the answer. I've been quite impressed with Briscoe although I think Hargreaves sees him more as a wide player who can cut inside.

New Striker. Krystian Pearce.

by RussianGull » 29 Oct 2014, 13:37

leetufc wrote:If Cameron has been playing with a hamstring problem (no reason to doubt it!) then the best thing for the club is to allow him to rest up.

We have a sufficient number of players in his position to not miss him for a couple of games, and I would rather not have him for a few games and fully fit mid November, than continue using him half fit and not performing to the required standard.
He clearly wasn't fit at Telford, and although looked slightly sharper was still way off the mark at Alfreton.

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by leetufc » 28 Oct 2014, 19:43

If Cameron has been playing with a hamstring problem (no reason to doubt it!) then the best thing for the club is to allow him to rest up.

We have a sufficient number of players in his position to not miss him for a couple of games, and I would rather not have him for a few games and fully fit mid November, than continue using him half fit and not performing to the required standard.

New Striker. Krystian Pearce.

by supergulls » 28 Oct 2014, 14:59

Sunnysideup wrote: From what Ive seen over the last month or so, we are clearly not creating many clear chances in dangerous areas. Thats probably why Bowman's goals have dried up.
Like most strikers at the lower levels, he needs 4 or so chances to put one away but he's no longer getting that (same as Benyon and Hawley last season). If he was good enough to do better than that regularly, he wouldnt be at our level. Cameron has gone from looking like a contender for player of the season to seemingly displaying a total lack of confidence in his ability. Briscoe looks better as a 2nd striker as he doesnt appear to have the stamina to play as a wide player. Ajala can look good at going past players but end product into danger areas is lacking. Thats why our biggest threat at present appears to be from set plays.
Cameron has been playing with a hamstring problem too.

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by SuperNickyWroe » 28 Oct 2014, 13:02

kevgull wrote:
Benyon is a fox in the box type of player. We seem to be creating the openings but not finishing, as much as it pains me I would give the lad a chance. Rendall is no better than Benyon however he seems to be banging them in.
id say rendell is better than benyon - and id rather have him in the team too.

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by Sunnysideup » 28 Oct 2014, 11:20

kevgull wrote:Benyon is a fox in the box type of player. We seem to be creating the openings but not finishing, as much as it pains me I would give the lad a chance. Rendall is no better than Benyon however he seems to be banging them in.
From what Ive seen over the last month or so, we are clearly not creating many clear chances in dangerous areas. Thats probably why Bowman's goals have dried up.
Like most strikers at the lower levels, he needs 4 or so chances to put one away but he's no longer getting that (same as Benyon and Hawley last season). If he was good enough to do better than that regularly, he wouldnt be at our level. Cameron has gone from looking like a contender for player of the season to seemingly displaying a total lack of confidence in his ability. Briscoe looks better as a 2nd striker as he doesnt appear to have the stamina to play as a wide player. Ajala can look good at going past players but end product into danger areas is lacking. Thats why our biggest threat at present appears to be from set plays.

New Striker. Krystian Pearce.

by kevgull » 28 Oct 2014, 10:37

SuperNickyWroe wrote: if benyon wasnt injured and you had this idea, we might as well play pearce up front.

Benyon is a fox in the box type of player. We seem to be creating the openings but not finishing, as much as it pains me I would give the lad a chance. Rendall is no better than Benyon however he seems to be banging them in.

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by SuperNickyWroe » 28 Oct 2014, 10:09

kevgull wrote:
Drop Bowman and bring back Benyon.
if benyon wasnt injured and you had this idea, we might as well play pearce up front.

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by supergulls » 28 Oct 2014, 08:52

benyon is injured at the moment

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by kevgull » 28 Oct 2014, 07:18

portugull wrote:Kit-Robin I completely agree with you.

The trouble is CH seems determined to play Dale Tonge.

If Pearce is on the bench again on Saturday I will really start to have my doubts about Chris Hargreaves. Having said that he knows what goes on behind the scenes and I do not!

Drop Bowman and bring back Benyon.

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by portugull » 27 Oct 2014, 20:04

Kit-Robin I completely agree with you.

The trouble is CH seems determined to play Dale Tonge.

If Pearce is on the bench again on Saturday I will really start to have my doubts about Chris Hargreaves. Having said that he knows what goes on behind the scenes and I do not!

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by portugull » 27 Oct 2014, 19:58

Supergulls I respect your post and I completely agree it is a huge step up.

However I saw Levi Ives make his debut against Aldershot earlier this season and he did not let the team down one bit.

He was clearly fouled for the Aldershot equaliser but the referee did not blow for a foul.

Each season at all levels young players make their debut and some go on to have long careers. This season gives Chris Hargreaves the chance to blood two or three players given the poor performance and attitude of a few of the more experienced players.

Football is full of surprises and given our budget surely we should give the youngsters a try if CH thinks they are ready. He himself played Football League at 17.

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by Kit_robin » 27 Oct 2014, 19:40

You're right about one thing; Pearce has to play. However you don't have to go as mad as playing him upfront, he should play instead of the frustratingly poor Dale Tonge.

Dale is not very good at defending, not very quick, has awful distribution and gives little going forward. Macdonald is bigger, quicker, stronger, a better defender and, as those who have seen him regularly this season will know, has better passing ability. Obviously macdonald may prefer to play CB, but him shifting across to RB allows us to play our three best defenders whilst losing NOTHING at full back.

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by RussianGull » 27 Oct 2014, 13:49

Disagree about putting Pearce up front we have 4 strikers on the books + Sully. If you're going to think about putting Pearce up front then surely you must think about starting Yeoman up top?

Pearce was awful at Alfreton, the whole team was - management included, it was embarrassing, made worse by the fact it was being shown on live TV. For me, Pearce did nothing in that match, and if he doesn't want to get off the bench and train then there's no place for him at Torquay thank you very much. We're in a bit of a rut at the minute, those players who declined to warm up at half time shouldn't be offered the opportunity to start.

We can't be doing with the negativity, look what it did to us with Knill and co last season. Positivity, willingness to train, fear for your starting place and sheer effort will stop the rot. That stands as much for us fans as for the team.

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by supergulls » 27 Oct 2014, 13:38

portugull wrote:Super I think you are overlooking that Aston Villa were prepared to pay £50,000 for the lad. That suggests to me that his potential is better than you think. I did add in my post the caveat that only Chris Hargreaves knows if Prynn is ready.

Going back to Pearce he has to play. He is without doubt in the top 3 of the whole squad so to continue to leave him on the bench when we are conceding so many goals makes no sense.
I have seen Prynne play more than most on here and I go to most youth games and I can assure you that the difference between the youth team and the first tam is a huge gap Daniel Sullivan scored more goals in his last year as an apprentice than Liam Prynne could dream of but its a different beast once they have to make that step up as Daniel Sullivan is finding out now. The 50k compensation that you refer to is exactly that compensation for the hours that Torquay have invested in his development. The sum is also set under the premier league regulations and is not negotiable.
also as you state its purely for potential and potential doesn't mean that your ready to be thrown into the first team, lots and lots of players are signed by clubs because they have potential but a tiny fraction of those players actually fulfil that potential. Time will tell who will be correct whether it be myself or you and neither of us have a crystal ball but I really don't see Chris Hargreaves putting Liam in anytime soon.

I agree with you about pearce he was a fantastic player last year and its unfortunate that this scenario has come about but I think the manager saw some good things earlier in the year when pearce was injured and we were keeping clean sheets so he has decided to keep the faith with the other two players but that's football and he will just have to wait to an opportunity comes up to regain his place.

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