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Clubs already sniffing around our young talent.

by bobby93 » 03 Nov 2014, 21:41

ferrarilover wrote:Bristol City, Swindon, Peterborough, someone like that'll have him off us. He'll be a minor hit, then go to Derby County where he'll stay for a couple of years until he is released and picked up by Sheffield United. He'll go to L2 York City on loan and sign a permanent deal there that summer.

Matt.
That's some crystal ball!

Clubs already sniffing around our young talent.

by arcadia » 03 Nov 2014, 18:15

Hi have the Reserves got a game at the ground tomorrow night can't see any fixture anywhere but it was advertised in the Independent. :keepie: There could be some sniffers about. :keepie:

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by arcadia » 03 Nov 2014, 14:45

yellowforever wrote:
I think Sturrock attends our games regularly anyway, or so I have been told.

But yes, I've heard fairly strong rumours of a league 1 team being particularly interested in Luke. They haven't disclosed who the team actually is though, but it's hardly surprising.

Still, I think most teams would see it as a huge gamble to take a player from the conference who would only really have been a key part of a team for 5/6 months when January comes.

Also with him being our captain and talisman, I think, or at least hope, that we'd resist the temptation to sell mid season as it could potentially cost us 000s of thousands should it lose us a promotion push.

He's a talented player who will no doubt play in League 1 and higher at some point during his career, I just feel he needs a bit longer maturing being a central cog in a team playing good football. We said the same with Eunan, who I'm sure could've jumped ship earlier to a weaker team (Bristol Rovers anyone?), and it worked out pretty well for him too.
Sturrock sat behind me last home game. :keepie:

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by supergulls » 02 Nov 2014, 18:33

friendlygas wrote:Truth is it doesn't matter whether a player is on a long or short contract if they want to go they will go. You can't hold out for big fees when you are in the Conference because you just are not going to get them. The big problem is that once a player hears of interest from Football League Clubs whatever division then if you stop the player going you will end up with an unhappy player who doesn't play to his full potential. It wouldn't surprise me if Young already has something in his contract to say that if a league Club comes in for him then he can go for a nominal fee.
The times of clubs holding on to a player to a Contract are long gone and big fees are pretty well gone to and its clubs like ours that lose out in ALL ways these days.
you cant hold out for big fees ? thats funny Peterborough offered 500k for Madison at Gateshead but they held out and got 700k

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by friendlygas » 02 Nov 2014, 18:16

Truth is it doesn't matter whether a player is on a long or short contract if they want to go they will go. You can't hold out for big fees when you are in the Conference because you just are not going to get them. The big problem is that once a player hears of interest from Football League Clubs whatever division then if you stop the player going you will end up with an unhappy player who doesn't play to his full potential. It wouldn't surprise me if Young already has something in his contract to say that if a league Club comes in for him then he can go for a nominal fee.
The times of clubs holding on to a player to a Contract are long gone and big fees are pretty well gone to and its clubs like ours that lose out in ALL ways these days.

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by Dave » 02 Nov 2014, 09:23

Six months into a two year contract, Luke Young can not decide he wants to leave TUFC the decision at this stage of his contract is not Luke's to take, basically at the moment the club has full ownership of Luke Young's registration. The club must be aware of this and use that to it's own advantage in any potential negotiations over a possible sale of the player.

Our club has to start getting a lot more hard nosed, the deal that took Eunan O'Kane to Bournemouth was a total joke, our club must become hard nosed with both our players and potential buying clubs. Our club is duty bound to inform Luke Young of any clubs interested in signing him, but, as said, six months into his contract TUFC also has the power to say, we are not looking to let you go at this time.

Of course our F.A cup failure and the loss of any parachute payment at the end of this season is going to have huge impact on our clubs already limited finances, so it may be difficult to avoid selling him, however any approach for Luke Young should be met with a response like; We have no wish to sell the player at this time. That's not saying you wont, but your indicating it's going to take a good deal to prize the player away.

And to our board, do not get carried away with £50,000 and the thought of a lovely sell on clause, get it through now, sell on clauses can be worth less than nothing, Eunan O'Kane scores in the League cup Wednesday can not get into the Bournemouth match day squad Saturday, what does that, in fact what should it tell us about his future at that club, must likely going to end up going to a League 1 club for a piece of silver and a bag of footballs, so any sell clause we have is going to end up netting us the some total of sweet f/a.

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by ferrarilover » 02 Nov 2014, 00:41

Only a season and a half? Curious use of the word "only". That effectively gives us 18 months to butter him up for a new deal. Young is our only valuable player. No other player among our squad is worth any money. Sure, on days when they turn up, guys like Richards and Ajala are good to watch, but they do it so infrequently (because they are young, more than likely), they're worthless on the open market. Young'll go in January. What we get for him depends solely on who Thea sends to the negotiating table. If Chuckles sticks his oar in, I can quite honestly see us getting £15,000-£20,000 for him. If we can keep him occupied with a puzzle or colouring book and crayons, we could get ten times that. Bristol City, Swindon, Peterborough, someone like that'll have him off us. He'll be a minor hit, then go to Derby County where he'll stay for a couple of years until he is released and picked up by Sheffield United. He'll go to L2 York City on loan and sign a permanent deal there that summer.

Matt.

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by mike86 » 01 Nov 2014, 19:17

With Hargreaves saying it will take a large offer to sign Luke Young, what sort of fee realistically would Torquay be able to push for if young was to decide to leave seeming he would only have a season and a half left on his deal? also out of interest which over players do people think are likely to be receiving offers in January. Macdonald? Pearce if still not playing? Downes if is still transfer listed?

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by ferrarilover » 08 Oct 2014, 22:34

SteveDeckchair wrote:He's a Devon bey who is in no hurry to move away and is really enjoying his footy with us at the moment.

My only worry if that Bristol City is close enough for him to commute and they are playing a style of footy that suits him as a player.

It would need to be a massive offer for us to sell him in January though. Think of the extra income from promotion vs staying in the Conference and as long as the board hold their nerve, his value shouldn't drop too much between January and August.
Not if Bill **** Phillips answers the phone, it won't!

Matt.

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by SteveDeckchair » 08 Oct 2014, 20:29

He's a Devon bey who is in no hurry to move away and is really enjoying his footy with us at the moment.

My only worry if that Bristol City is close enough for him to commute and they are playing a style of footy that suits him as a player.

It would need to be a massive offer for us to sell him in January though. Think of the extra income from promotion vs staying in the Conference and as long as the board hold their nerve, his value shouldn't drop too much between January and August.

Clubs already sniffing around our young talent.

by Jerry » 07 Oct 2014, 19:00

I'm sure I read when we signed him that a League 1 club (Colchester I think) were interested in the summer but he wanted to stay closer to home.

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by yellowforever » 07 Oct 2014, 15:48

MidDevon wrote:Paul Sturrock and another chap were sat behind us in the bench on Saturday...I assume Sturrock is scouting for someone nowadays?
Good to see him looking very well.

I think Sturrock attends our games regularly anyway, or so I have been told.

But yes, I've heard fairly strong rumours of a league 1 team being particularly interested in Luke. They haven't disclosed who the team actually is though, but it's hardly surprising.

Still, I think most teams would see it as a huge gamble to take a player from the conference who would only really have been a key part of a team for 5/6 months when January comes.

Also with him being our captain and talisman, I think, or at least hope, that we'd resist the temptation to sell mid season as it could potentially cost us 000s of thousands should it lose us a promotion push.

He's a talented player who will no doubt play in League 1 and higher at some point during his career, I just feel he needs a bit longer maturing being a central cog in a team playing good football. We said the same with Eunan, who I'm sure could've jumped ship earlier to a weaker team (Bristol Rovers anyone?), and it worked out pretty well for him too.

Clubs already sniffing around our young talent.

by MidDevon » 07 Oct 2014, 13:32

Paul Sturrock and another chap were sat behind us in the bench on Saturday...I assume Sturrock is scouting for someone nowadays?
Good to see him looking very well.

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by Gullscorer » 07 Oct 2014, 12:44

:goodpost:

You're quite right. With our small fan base, we're stuck with finding or developing talented players which we sell on in order for the club to survive, and if we have ambitions for higher league status, that can only be achieved by a gradual process, so that we eventually find ourselves in a sufficiently viable financial position to be able to retain those talented players. Footballing miracles don't happen overnight..

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by Gulliball » 07 Oct 2014, 12:35

That's the nature of clubs at our level and of 1 or 2 year contracts. If we had signed Young for a transfer fee and tied him to a 5 year deal, then we could keep him. As it is, he has a 24 month contract, during which time we have to offer him a new contract, let it expire or sell him. Clubs at our level have 10 players out of contract every summer - and largely speaking, the best of these move upwards, the average ones stay and the worst ones get released. We will shortly have Ives, Pearce and Cameron out of contract and may want to keep them, but more than likely they will all receive bigger offers and look to move on.

Looking at Crewe as an example, some players outgrow the clubs they start their careers at, and this is what the transfer market is for. Lee Sharpe would have been wasted playing on our left wing when he was starting for Man Utd as a teenager. If you want to buy raw players and develop them, then you have to sell them when the time is right. Crewe wouldn't be a Premiership club now even if they had kept Platt, Murphy, Ashton and all the others, but selling them allows them to fund the £500k a year it costs to run their academy.

The longest we can currently keep Luke Young for is another 18 months. The other promising guys like Richards, Ajala, Cameron, MacDonald and Pearce etc have at best the same remaining and in a few cases, even less. No-one is contracted past June 2016, and if these players perform well for us then they will attract bigger clubs and bigger offers. The benefit of that for us is that they can help us to promotion before moving on, and leave the Club in a far better state than it was when they arrived. At our level things are cyclical, and every summer is important to build a squad. We benefit from this when we have underperforming players, and release them into unemployment as soon as we possibly can, that is why we offer one and two year deals.

If Ives, Young or anyone else attracts suitors from higher divisions then they will go. We can't magically keep them for the next five years while we look to make League One. The only say we have in that is exactly when they go, and how much we bring in for them. We should be looking to maximise the transfer revenue we can generate from the successes, to give the manager as competitive a budget as we can to compete in whatever division we're in. The only way we will ever sustain League One football is to develop an infrastructure that will allow us to compete there, which means building it up one step at a time. Three or four good players contracted for another 18 months won't help us in the long term unless we use them to build a system that can be repeated and sustained after they've left.

You can't blame the players for this, it is how the system works. They are one bad injury away from having no income in 8 months time, and one transfer away from possibly doubling or trebling their salaries. The only players who dream of playing for Torquay United are the ones who know they won't make it any higher. These players can be Club Legends like Kevin Hill, or play in very successful sides like Matt Hockley, but you have to surround them by an Alex Russell, Eunan O'Kane or Luke Young to bring success, and those players won't stay here just to wait to see if we can make League One. If that was how the job market worked then everyone would be a paper boy and there would be no doctors.

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