ROADRUNNER wrote:Well we shall see burnham, but he needs the chance at least, most on here seem to think he has failed already, I look forward to him proving them wrong.
Why does he need the chance RR? I take your point and we won't see what CH can do until next season obviously but we have been in a very fortunate position to witness first hand the way CH has gone about these past 4 months and if we go by the Knill situation then CH doesn't really deserve a crack at managing us next season.
Knill kept us up thanks to the odd goal by Labadie but by and large the standard of football remained the same when he took over, there were no signs of improvement on the field and because he kept us up then many (including myself) thought he deserved his chance the following season purely based on this. We ignored the fact that he still couldn't motivate or get a team playing with purpose and aggression even though it was there for all to see and we accepted him as our new manager.
I can see this same mistake happening with CH and nobody can say (if it turns out to be true) that we haven't had fair warning. Yes the players were generally shit and already in a mentality of failure but in everything CH has done has in essence made us WORSE than before he took over. He has added loanee players by and large who are worse than we already had, he picked the wrong formations, he has made tepid substitutions (often none at all) and made in-game match decisions that have seen us try to defend losing positions rather than go for the throats of the opposition and I could go on really.
So you see with CH, we have seen first hand that IMO there is a greater likelihood that he will struggle badly next season when in fact it is the most critical in modern times. Under Buckle we had a bit of cash yes, we also had man who was an arrogant cock. As most know, in this world arrogant people often have an edge about them, they take risks and don't really care about anyone but themselves and so it came to pass that eventually Buckle got the job done.
As an example, if Buckle took over when Knill was sacked then how many of us would even have entertained us going down at that point?
If CH fails next season the repercussions may be limitless and for the sake of not wanting to hurt anyones feelings I think we need an experienced head at the least alongside him and not Hodges. Otherwise we need a new manager because is it really worth the risk again? Fair enough, we have played the most horrific of football for two years and been at the foot of the table for much but we only drop into the conference. Hard to take but not that big a deal. If we continue to play horrific football with CH making inept decisions and we go on the verge of dropping into the conference south then I don't see a way back.
For the sake of saying just give someone a chance because he deserves it and because he was our hero as a player is mindblowing. He has had 4 tough months in the job already I know and although I expected to still be relegated and although I expected to still struggle I did not expect to be witnessing such ineptness, weakness and vulnerability from him on a weekly basis. He could have thrown the kitchen sink at this, he had nothing to lose but instead he chose safer options to no effect and if we are to achieve in the conference then such a unacceptable management approach is not required. He has made us a worse team.
Fans can complain about how unfair some are being to Chris and that is their right but we just cannot risk going into the conference with him as manager. None of this is personal but many of you won't get your heads around that either. He has given large clues in 4 months that indicate that he won't be anywhere near capable of turning this ship around and as that is all I have to go on other than the blind faith argument some seem to like then that is good enough for me.
We need to get someone in who is an old hand at this level and someone with a personality. Someone who can just simply see what the frig the rest of us can from the stands and at the very least try and do something about it instead of being frightened about making errors. Ling, Knill and Hargreaves all come across to me as men who just aren't ruthless and who opt for safety behaviours. As an anxiety sufferer I know that safety behaviours just help you get by, they don't allow you to face the fear and make real changes for the better. They don't work.
99% of the fans I've seen post on this site who are against CH are not doing so because they think he's an arsehole or that they want to see Torquay fail. They are against Chris because although they fully appreciate the situation he has been handed, they haven't seen anything positive to come from the 4 months in charge, they have been shocked how someone so combative as a player can be so inert as a manager they also see that actually some of his methods are really quite disturbing.
Having seen this first hand we STILL go into next season with hope rather than expectation?
That is why Torquay will always be a tiny tin pot club. Because we go into perhaps the biggest season in our history with some hope.
We should EXPECT and demand and we should get. Stop being victims saying that is how it is and hold people accountable for what they do and are doing. We are a professional football club run by professional people and represented by professional footballers and it's about time we stopped hoping for success and demanded it. If other tiny tin pot clubs with poor resources can do it then so can we. We just need to get in the right people which has sadly been our downfall these past 2 seasons and now we 'HOPE' it doesn't happen again?
**** me.
[quote="ROADRUNNER"]Well we shall see burnham, but he needs the chance at least, most on here seem to think he has failed already, I look forward to him proving them wrong.[/quote]
Why does he need the chance RR? I take your point and we won't see what CH can do until next season obviously but we have been in a very fortunate position to witness first hand the way CH has gone about these past 4 months and if we go by the Knill situation then CH doesn't really deserve a crack at managing us next season.
Knill kept us up thanks to the odd goal by Labadie but by and large the standard of football remained the same when he took over, there were no signs of improvement on the field and because he kept us up then many (including myself) thought he deserved his chance the following season purely based on this. We ignored the fact that he still couldn't motivate or get a team playing with purpose and aggression even though it was there for all to see and we accepted him as our new manager.
I can see this same mistake happening with CH and nobody can say (if it turns out to be true) that we haven't had fair warning. Yes the players were generally shit and already in a mentality of failure but in everything CH has done has in essence made us WORSE than before he took over. He has added loanee players by and large who are worse than we already had, he picked the wrong formations, he has made tepid substitutions (often none at all) and made in-game match decisions that have seen us try to defend losing positions rather than go for the throats of the opposition and I could go on really.
So you see with CH, we have seen first hand that IMO there is a greater likelihood that he will struggle badly next season when in fact it is the most critical in modern times. Under Buckle we had a bit of cash yes, we also had man who was an arrogant cock. As most know, in this world arrogant people often have an edge about them, they take risks and don't really care about anyone but themselves and so it came to pass that eventually Buckle got the job done.
As an example, if Buckle took over when Knill was sacked then how many of us would even have entertained us going down at that point?
If CH fails next season the repercussions may be limitless and for the sake of not wanting to hurt anyones feelings I think we need an experienced head at the least alongside him and not Hodges. Otherwise we need a new manager because is it really worth the risk again? Fair enough, we have played the most horrific of football for two years and been at the foot of the table for much but we only drop into the conference. Hard to take but not that big a deal. If we continue to play horrific football with CH making inept decisions and we go on the verge of dropping into the conference south then I don't see a way back.
For the sake of saying just give someone a chance because he deserves it and because he was our hero as a player is mindblowing. He has had 4 tough months in the job already I know and although I expected to still be relegated and although I expected to still struggle I did not expect to be witnessing such ineptness, weakness and vulnerability from him on a weekly basis. He could have thrown the kitchen sink at this, he had nothing to lose but instead he chose safer options to no effect and if we are to achieve in the conference then such a unacceptable management approach is not required. He has made us a worse team.
Fans can complain about how unfair some are being to Chris and that is their right but we just cannot risk going into the conference with him as manager. None of this is personal but many of you won't get your heads around that either. He has given large clues in 4 months that indicate that he won't be anywhere near capable of turning this ship around and as that is all I have to go on other than the blind faith argument some seem to like then that is good enough for me.
We need to get someone in who is an old hand at this level and someone with a personality. Someone who can just simply see what the frig the rest of us can from the stands and at the very least try and do something about it instead of being frightened about making errors. Ling, Knill and Hargreaves all come across to me as men who just aren't ruthless and who opt for safety behaviours. As an anxiety sufferer I know that safety behaviours just help you get by, they don't allow you to face the fear and make real changes for the better. They don't work.
99% of the fans I've seen post on this site who are against CH are not doing so because they think he's an arsehole or that they want to see Torquay fail. They are against Chris because although they fully appreciate the situation he has been handed, they haven't seen anything positive to come from the 4 months in charge, they have been shocked how someone so combative as a player can be so inert as a manager they also see that actually some of his methods are really quite disturbing.
Having seen this first hand we STILL go into next season with hope rather than expectation?
That is why Torquay will always be a tiny tin pot club. Because we go into perhaps the biggest season in our history with some hope.
We should EXPECT and demand and we should get. Stop being victims saying that is how it is and hold people accountable for what they do and are doing. We are a professional football club run by professional people and represented by professional footballers and it's about time we stopped hoping for success and demanded it. If other tiny tin pot clubs with poor resources can do it then so can we. We just need to get in the right people which has sadly been our downfall these past 2 seasons and now we 'HOPE' it doesn't happen again?
**** me.
