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by portugull » 09 Apr 2014, 08:47

Thank you Dave.I really cannot understand as I checked my first post before I replied.

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by Southampton Gull » 08 Apr 2014, 20:17

portugull wrote:My first reaction to the team selected yesterday was that 2 senior pros had a bust up with Chris Hargreaves.

Very little comment on this site but if there has been trouble between the Manager and Downes and Nico then it demonstrates to me that CH must have a really massive clear out and start again. The problem is that about 7 players are contracted for next season including Karl Hawley. If we make them available who is going to sign them?

Nico fell out with Knill and has he fallen out with CH? Downes is an Aussie and they always speak their mind.

I backed the appointment of Chris Hargreaves but I was utterly shocked by the decision to allow Tonge to take the penalty. No Manager should abdicate such a decision. Never let this happen again Chris. It is unprofessional. Some decisions are very crucial. A top Manager would never ever abdicate such a decision.

The problem in my opinion is that it is not the Manager who is at fault it is the players. You can see it all over the pitch. THEY EXPECT TO LOSE.

Until the players change we are not going to see a winning team. The winning mentality has long gone and it is hard to change.

Further to your email, nothing has been edited or amended on this posting. If you wish to edit it yourself feel free. I've checked the Moderator logs and nothing has been altered.

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by Dave » 07 Apr 2014, 09:33

ferrarilover wrote:If it's not false logic, ask yourself why tickets for Man United (whose players earn 300x what ours do) aren't 300x the price of ours.

Matt.
Did you write this deliberately to wind some other posters up, hope so, otherwise your guilty of your own false logic. :-/

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by ferrarilover » 07 Apr 2014, 09:25

Proof, were it needed, that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

My 10000 word prediction may have been optimistic. Between three of us, we're up to a thousand already and you're definitely not 10% of the way to understanding.

Matt.

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by ferrarilover » 07 Apr 2014, 05:53

quote="EddUK12"]Matt - as has been pointed out man utd have a multi million pound tv deal in many countries and spinsirship and they also have 90,000 people turn up every week to watch.

Camb - according to matt in another thread the reason there was a loss is due to the new stand and a training ground. Wages are not the only cost and there are a range of fixed costs such as seats which are not used on match day, most likey due to cost, i think one of the better gates recently was when there was a deal for kids to come along a reduced rate, if only the club would notic that, missed oppertunities like that are moronic.

Considering that the club and some fans think the torbay public should support the club when the average person hears the players will get 20% pay decease but prices will stay the same for a sub standard product the club should reconise this by lowering prices, it would be good pr for them.[/quote]

Goggle "price elasticity of demand" and go from there.

Half the reason we're in the shit we are is because of the last time some clownshoes with no idea tried to 'earn some good PR' by charging about 75p for a ST. Are you Colin Lee in disguise?

Matt.

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by Rjc70 » 07 Apr 2014, 05:46

Did you see the first line of my previous post on this thread, Edd? Club's income takes a massive hit from loss of FL status. £2.15m over three years (calculated on another site) if we don't come back in that time.

I'd be all in favour of a small discount for those existing ST holders renewing, if it was felt affordable. But it's not me potentially missing out on £2.15m funding over three years and recording losses where I presently have that funding. If they do reverse their previous announcement, fair play to them. I'd understand if they didn't, given the above.

The Directors won't forget in a hurry Colin Lee's offer on season tickets last time we fell out of the FL. An analysis of our recently published accounts (again on another site) show clearly that this coincided with a period that saw the worst recorded financial losses in TUFC's entire history. Not all down to the season ticket offer, granted.

Also, the point made previously that 500k losses year on year does not represent a sustainable business model still stands. Even though that figure isn't the correct figure.

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by Gullscorer » 07 Apr 2014, 02:20

ferrarilover wrote:If it's not false logic, ask yourself why tickets for Man United (whose players earn 300x what ours do) aren't 300x the price of ours.
Matt.
Er.. their crowds and TV income are 300x bigger...?? :|

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by Rjc70 » 07 Apr 2014, 01:20

EddUK12 wrote:Matt how is it false logic?

surely if the players wages go down by 20% then costs go down by 20% which could be passed on to the supporters and the club could still make a loss of 500k (as they did in the last accounts) and a training ground they cant use.

im sure if wages went up as a result of promotion prices would go up.
TUFC's income goes down with loss of money directly related to FL membership, if that helps. And yes, as has been said, making another £500k loss (it wasn't that figure, though) is not a sustainable business model.

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by okehampton gull » 06 Apr 2014, 22:01

I would think after the York game it was an easy decision to leave Nicholson out , he has only kept his place because cruise has been injured , he was like a snail , he couldn't get back , he gifted them a goal they couldn't take . words fail me with this chap, sorry not being rude to him , but he is woeful, but he thinks he **** brilliant . I think theres a job going as barman next year . poor downes has been slower since his knee injury before xmas , so much so he doesn't look like scoring from set pieces these days , o'conner and pearce are as good as any 2 central backs in this league , sadly we wont have either next year .

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by okehampton gull » 06 Apr 2014, 21:52

good for you

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by cambgull » 06 Apr 2014, 21:18

EddUK12 wrote:Matt how is it false logic?

surely if the players wages go down by 20% then costs go down by 20% which could be passed on to the supporters and the club could still make a loss of 500k (as they did in the last accounts) and a training ground they cant use.

im sure if wages went up as a result of promotion prices would go up.
I'm with Matt on this one I'm afraid. Don't ever start a business Edd as you'll be bankrupt within a year.

For a start, wages being reduced by 20% does not mean a 20% reduction in costs as it is not the only cost.

For example, if wages equate to 50% of the total outgoings over a year, a 20% drop in wages would be equivalent to a 10% drop in costs.

And why on earth would the club wish to maintain a 500k loss?! That would be quite simply moronic.

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by ferrarilover » 06 Apr 2014, 21:13

If it's not false logic, ask yourself why tickets for Man United (whose players earn 300x what ours do) aren't 300x the price of ours.

Matt.

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by ferrarilover » 06 Apr 2014, 21:03

EddUK12 wrote:Matt how is it false logic?

surely if the players wages go down by 20% then costs go down by 20% which could be passed on to the supporters and the club could still make a loss of 500k (as they did in the last accounts) and a training ground they cant use.

im sure if wages went up as a result of promotion prices would go up.
No. The whole foundation upon which you base your premise is so flawed that it would take me at least 10,000 words to explain it all to you properly. I love you, Eddy, but I simply don't care enough.

Matt.

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by sam_ » 06 Apr 2014, 20:46

SuperNickyWroe wrote: its quite apparent that CH isnt a fan of many of the players.
I Don't think anyone is, SNW haha!

I'm abbreviating you to SNW now ;-)

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by kevgull » 06 Apr 2014, 20:42

supergulls wrote:Sometimes certain players are not another managers cup of tea. It's all about opinions and Downsey is great in the air but not so good on the floor so even with the goals he has scored maybe Hargreaves wants to play from the back and Downes is not up to it ... Just a thought !
27 goals scored this season with Chapel and Downes having scored 33% of them. Neither can make the match day squad when your deep in the mire and needing a goal.

Cut your nose off to spite your face, springs to mind.

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