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Hargreaves signings

by ferrarilover » 15 Feb 2014, 16:03

camberwick green wrote: Your "analysis" is, in fact, some way wide of the mark. It's not just because of Reid that Plymouth Argyle are comfortably mid-table. You should have taken a look at the stats. Only 6 teams in the division have conceded fewer goals. Leaders Chesterfield have conceded just 4 fewer.
Fodder? How come "5 in 5" and you're "an average team" but 10 goals from Reid and we're "fodder"?
I've no objection to you taking a pop at my team if it's merited. What bugs me is that you try to pass off a half-baked opinion to support your ill-considered theory. Argyle have a half-decent defence, a striker who has so many flaws to his game that many wouldn't have him in the side and a weak midfield. If you think the team can make the playoffs then you have more faith than most of us. As for the Gulls, yes, a hot streak from the strikers would go a long way but the back five will have to shape up. Performances like Tuesday night mean relegation. I know. I was there.
I have. Reid's goals have been worth 14 points to you this season. Take away those 14 points and, surprise surprise, Argyle are not comfortably mid table, they're bottom, one point behind the Cobblers.

You can whinge on all you like, cherry picking meaningless stats. Fact is, Reid has scored 11 of your 27 goals this year and without him and them, you'd be ****. All this talk of the Playoffs/autos next season on your board is hilarious. If the division is better next year than it is this time round and Reid goes back where he belongs, you're going to be favourites for the drop.

Massive surprise today, no penalty in your favour and no Reid goal and, at HT, you're 2-0 down at home.

Matt.

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by hector » 15 Feb 2014, 10:37

I think the Plymouth fan is correct. We need to get the defence sorted out. Tuesday night we were all over the place and I dread to think what Chesterfield might do to us if we see a repeat of that today.

Instead of signing all of these young forwards - do we really need FOUR of them on loan? - perhaps we should be looking to bolster the defence. Sign a good left-back on loan. Also, instead of signing youngsters from the academies of Championship clubs, perhaps we could look to recruit an out of favour experienced player.

The team lacks guile.

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by ferrarilover » 15 Feb 2014, 06:58

If anyone is an expert in performances like Tuesday night meaning relegation, it's certainly a Plymouth Argyle fan...

Matt.

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by camberwick green » 15 Feb 2014, 06:48

ferrarilover wrote:Rich is quite right. If you want to see what a terrible team with a 20 goal striker can achieve, take a trip to Plymouth. Lose Reid from that squad and they go down. The squad, the manager, the club are fodder, but they've got a striker who scores every week and a bit of luck with penalties and they're pushing for the Playoffs.

If one of our players goes on a hot streak of, say, 5 in 5, we'll be alright, that's how close we are to being an average team. That's not necessarily because we're good, but perhaps because the division is so poor.

Matt.
Your "analysis" is, in fact, some way wide of the mark. It's not just because of Reid that Plymouth Argyle are comfortably mid-table. You should have taken a look at the stats. Only 6 teams in the division have conceded fewer goals. Leaders Chesterfield have conceded just 4 fewer.
Fodder? How come "5 in 5" and you're "an average team" but 10 goals from Reid and we're "fodder"?
I've no objection to you taking a pop at my team if it's merited. What bugs me is that you try to pass off a half-baked opinion to support your ill-considered theory. Argyle have a half-decent defence, a striker who has so many flaws to his game that many wouldn't have him in the side and a weak midfield. If you think the team can make the playoffs then you have more faith than most of us. As for the Gulls, yes, a hot streak from the strikers would go a long way but the back five will have to shape up. Performances like Tuesday night mean relegation. I know. I was there.

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by Dave » 14 Feb 2014, 20:28

For me, being to close to senior players was the only concern I had as a fan over CH, time will tell looking at his team selections and performances over the next few weeks. Chris Hargreaves was a professional footballer for over 20 years, making friends amongst team mates and other players in the game that our now coaching, also former managers and coach's that CH would worked under maybe still in the game, so contacts will not be a problem, also no manager can legislate no matter how the they prepare what game plan tactical set up they adopt for the team no turning up and your two fullbacks going a.w.o.l

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by PhilGull » 14 Feb 2014, 20:09

Why the obsession with 'experienced managers'? Every single experienced manager we could hope to get has a CV full of failure. Northampton only got Wilder because they could afford the compensation to Oxford.
We have a bright young manager, he may end up being crap, he may end up managing England one day. Who knows, but one thing I do know, Knill, Ling and all the other 'experienced' managers we've had over the years, we've known that they were here because they could never hope to do better.
Look at our recent successful managers. Buckle, Rosenior, Hodges. All young inexperienced managers.
With our support and the support of the players, the board and his backroom team hopefully Chris can get us over the line this year and then go on to a long and successful career in TQ1

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by Sesimbra » 14 Feb 2014, 19:47

When Hargreaves was appointed Manager I had 3 concerns and questions:
(1) Was he too close to the senior players?
(2) Did he have the necessary managerial tactical experience?
(3) Has he the necessary contacts?
Following the reports of the Northampton game it would appear that the answer to (1) is yes and to (2) is no. The answer to (3) remains to be seen.
However this is only based on 1 game but experience takes time which raises the question have we got the time? I hope he learns quickly

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by Greybeardedgull » 13 Feb 2014, 20:34

gullno4 wrote:id put Downes upfront!
That could actually be a very good idea pal. There's been many a defender made a better striker, Norwich Citys centre half Chris Sutton and Sheffield Wednesdays Paul Warhurst to name a couple.

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by gullno4 » 13 Feb 2014, 20:27

id put Downes upfront!

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by ROADRUNNER » 13 Feb 2014, 20:11

Is this the turd who scored 10 goals 2 seasons ago. Do you think we will get someone to score 10 this season. :rofl:

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by ROADRUNNER » 13 Feb 2014, 20:11

Is this the turd who scored 10 goals 2 seasons ago. Do you think wecwill get someone to score 10 this season. :rofl:

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by Rjc70 » 13 Feb 2014, 13:24

gullintwoplaces wrote:
I agree, the crowd was subdued. Gulls fans were also shellshocked because of the gift of two early goals to Northampton, the realisation that the referee was an utter cretin and the appalling foul which nearly crippled Bodin. The crowd's morale was lowered even further by the way that Northampton players got in the faces of the Gulls team from the start of the game (with zero response from some of our team, Labadie excepted) and the fact that some of our players were playing like donkeys.
Sounds like a reasonable assessment to me.

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by gullintwoplaces » 13 Feb 2014, 12:36

bobby93 wrote: Certainly not negative but I would say subdued.
I agree, the crowd was subdued. Gulls fans were also shellshocked because of the gift of two early goals to Northampton, the realisation that the referee was an utter cretin and the appalling foul which nearly crippled Bodin. The crowd's morale was lowered even further by the way that Northampton players got in the faces of the Gulls team from the start of the game (with zero response from some of our team, Labadie excepted) and the fact that some of our players were playing like donkeys.

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by bobby93 » 13 Feb 2014, 11:03

tomogull wrote:
Certainly not negative but I would say subdued.

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by Dave » 13 Feb 2014, 09:59

Not going to level any criticism over player signings made by Chris Hargreaves. Stockley was petty much already here and an obvious signing given the Bournemouth connections, Rudge was clearly brought to cover for Mansell's injury which seems to have cleared up faster than first thought.

O'Brien not seen enough of to comment, Goodwin, probably deserved more credit from me, on my match report and motm votes, but playing out wide to me looked an alien position to him, he's defiantly got something about him, in my humble opinion as a fan, would like to see him up top with Stockley, Goodwin is very quick and looks to have tricks in his locker, could be the striker we've all been on about. Danny Stevens, enough already said, numbers game signing, likely to be on a pittance , waste of time signing ? time will tell.

What concerns me more was reading this..http://www.torquayunited.com/news/artic ... 54820.aspx and something said by CH "It's a learning curve for the younger players in the team" That reads to me that CH perhaps thinks that inexperience was largely to blame for Tuesday night, if that is the case, think you've made a huge mistake there Greavsie, again my opinion as a fan, I 100% full on think the senior pro's, in fact going to point the finger right at the two most experienced player we have, they actually were the ones that let the younger players down. This is not Nicho bashing, but his lack of pace constantly caused a problem, you can see after the second goal O'Connor was clearly unhappy with Nicho, O'Connor constantly had to babysit the left back position, and manse on the other side by his own admission was awful.

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