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Gordan Sparks interview with Martin Ling just now

by bobby93 » 03 Jan 2014, 22:34

brucie wrote:Bobby - are you in a dream world or what. It isn't going to happen. I think Thea Bristow more or less referred to Ling not being "enthusiastic" or something like that ie he was just really going through the motions. Having given a hefty pay off to more or less feck off do you really think we are now going to pay him to come back - it is seriously ridiculous.
Ling cannot get a job anywhere and coming out in the press and saying he wants to come back here quite frankly makes him look like an idiot.
Hardly in a dream world. I said in my last post I highly doubt it would happen, and even though I admire Ling I'm not sure this would be a good time.

What's so crazy about that? If this is dream world I need to get less sleep.

Gordan Sparks interview with Martin Ling just now

by brucie » 03 Jan 2014, 22:05

Bobby - are you in a dream world or what. It isn't going to happen. I think Thea Bristow more or less referred to Ling not being "enthusiastic" or something like that ie he was just really going through the motions. Having given a hefty pay off to more or less feck off do you really think we are now going to pay him to come back - it is seriously ridiculous.
Ling cannot get a job anywhere and coming out in the press and saying he wants to come back here quite frankly makes him look like an idiot.

Gordan Sparks interview with Martin Ling just now

by bobby93 » 03 Jan 2014, 17:29

yellowsmiffy wrote:He's a 1-0 merchant
Better than a 0-1 merchant.

I was a big Ling fan and thought our treatment of him, certainly publicly, was disgraceful. For Thea Bristow to go on camera and say she couldn't put her finger on why he was sacked, but that it was definitely for purely footballing reasons when we were middle of the League when he left, was wrong and Ling quite rightly felt aggrieved. Not an attack on Thea as she doesn't come across as a media-savvy person and probably didn't go into that interview with an agenda but it certainly made us look a bit silly. You never know what's going on behind the scenes, but I felt that we were very short sighted in appointing Knill and I said so at the time. Joss Labadie kept us up, not Alan Knill.

In theory, I would be happy to have Ling in charge in simple management terms - I think he would get the best out of some of our underperformers just as he did with Mansell, Stevens, et al, and he always came across as an honest, down to earth personality. I would worry, however, that if he came back he'd have a portion of fans against him straight away and that's not what we need. We need energy, togetherness, determination. Some of our fans are incredibly fickle and if he came in and didn't get results immediately, he would come under pressure quicker than a completely new face would and we'd be in the same mess. So I don't know, I'm in two minds. I highly doubt that the board would be prepared to go back to him with their tails between their legs anyway. Credit to him really for stepping up to the plate.

I like Lingy but I don't know if this is the right time for him to 'finish his business'. We shall see.

Gordan Sparks interview with Martin Ling just now

by nickfrench82 » 03 Jan 2014, 13:38

Let's face it, whoever comes in is a massive gamble. We could appoint Hargreaves with no experience, Sturrock with a world of L2 experience, Warnock with a big reputation and in a fire-fighting role, Martin Allen with his tough talking, taking no prisoners and lower league experience.

When they announce the new manager, 30% will be pretty happy, 40% will be indifferent and 30% will be underwhelmed. It was the same with Buckle, Ling and Knill. It was the same for most managers before them, and will be the same for whoever joins us in the future.

In essence, we need either a great man manager to get them playing better as a team than the sum of their parts, or a good coach to get them organised. I have my opinion, and many others have theirs, it makes no difference what we think, we just have to support whoever gets the nod, hope he has an impact and then when he leaves in weeks/months/years to come, have all the same fun again!

Gordan Sparks interview with Martin Ling just now

by Richinns » 03 Jan 2014, 13:29

Ling wants to recall all loan players who are the heart of the club?

Yeoman, Thompson, McKenzie and Hutchings all of whom he barely ever played?

Lathrope more so but are they really the answer when you almost ignored them first time round??

Gordan Sparks interview with Martin Ling just now

by Fonda » 03 Jan 2014, 13:19

I'm loving all this 'Knill was never the right man' stuff. There are obviously some that never wanted him here, but I'd suggest the majority did. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Gordan Sparks interview with Martin Ling just now

by footster » 03 Jan 2014, 13:16

Lingy is talking alot of sense although I feel he won,t get the job because as has been said already why pay him off and then reemploy him. Chris Hargreaves would be a good appointment if we were mid table but I feel it does need an experienced head to get us out of this hole we are in.Knill was never the right appointment so you have to question the boards ability to pick and employ the right man for the job. Whilst Paul Sturrock did leave Plymouth in a fix when they were in the championship he does have the knowledge and know how on how to get out of this division on a shoe string budget but would he come at a cost with his wages alone.
Anything is possible in football and boards decisions do seem to be baffling at times and I don't think this situation will be anything new. Whoever throws their hat in the ring is in with a shout.

Gordan Sparks interview with Martin Ling just now

by Fonda » 03 Jan 2014, 13:10

Lingy wants to come back? Ah, that's nice. Presumably he wasn't quite as badly treated by the club as he was so keen to suggest previously then? No thanks, he had his chance.

Gordan Sparks interview with Martin Ling just now

by hector » 03 Jan 2014, 13:03

When there was speculation towards the end of last season, as to whether Ling would return or whether he would leave and Knill replaced him, I remember at the time feeling that it was probably for the best that Ling left (not that I wanted Knill) but because I felt, that because people were swept up in the supposed euphoria of staying up and were clamouring for Knill to stay, I felt that Ling would never get a fair crack of the whip if he did return. That it would only take a couple of results for people to get on his back.

However, over the last couple of months, I had felt, I would gladly take Ling back because of the absolute horror-show that was Alan Knill's management. If Ling came back, perhaps people would be more appreciative of what he did and see that the grass isn't always greener.

I would worry about his 'stress-related illness' re-emerging and seeing as the club sacked him for 'footballing reasons' it would be difficult for them to reappoint him on for the same reasons. So I would imagine it unlikely that he would return but for me, it wouldn't be the end of the world if he was reappointed.

However, things were starting to turn before he even went sick. The team was chucking away leads and around this time last year we conceded goals after the 85th minute for about 6 games running. Some clubs would have sacked their managers anyway for the run of form we were having under ling at that time.

There is an element of what he says that is true - someone who knows the players and club, could be good. A short-term contract until the end of the season and if it works out, a renewal, perhaps.

But then if it went wrong, they would have to sack him a second time, so it is probably best that we appoint someone new.

However, whatever people's opinion of Ling, I think it is quite magnanimous of him to even consider applying again for a job he had been sacked in and by a club he perhaps is entitled to feel, treated him harshly. I know I couldn't. Plus, he is opening himself up to further disappointment by publicly announcing he will be applying and then perhaps not getting it. He may have been better served keeping quiet for now.

He is a decent bloke by all accounts and a knowledgable football man. I probably wouldn't discount him completely.

Gordan Sparks interview with Martin Ling just now

by Gullscorer » 03 Jan 2014, 12:14

Doesn't matter who our manager was, we could be on the edge of the play-offs and there would still be a few 'fans' coming out to criticise the manager and to say he's doing things wrong..

Gordan Sparks interview with Martin Ling just now

by gullintwoplaces » 03 Jan 2014, 12:09

nickfrench82 wrote:I'm not overly keen on Ling's return, as I don't think we were very good and played some awful football, however compare the record of him last season with Knill this term.......


Played 27 Won 9 Drew 10 Lost 8 Scored 35 Conceded 33 POS 13th
Played 24 Won 5 Drew 7 Lost 12 Scored 24 Conceded 39 POS 22nd

We were cruising with the chance of a crack at the play offs, Ling went sick and the rest of the club came careering down the table. We were distinctly average last season, however right now, I'd love to be disctinctly average.
:goodpost:

Puts this season into an even clearer perspective. Not saying I would like to see Martin Ling back, but his record was far better than Alan Knill, even when he was, in the eyes of some, doing "badly".

Gordan Sparks interview with Martin Ling just now

by nickfrench82 » 03 Jan 2014, 12:00

I'm not overly keen on Ling's return, as I don't think we were very good and played some awful football, however compare the record of him last season with Knill this term.......


Played 27 Won 9 Drew 10 Lost 8 Scored 35 Conceded 33 POS 13th
Played 24 Won 5 Drew 7 Lost 12 Scored 24 Conceded 39 POS 22nd

We were cruising with the chance of a crack at the play offs, Ling went sick and the rest of the club came careering down the table. We were distinctly average last season, however right now, I'd love to be disctinctly average.

Gordan Sparks interview with Martin Ling just now

by Gullscorer » 03 Jan 2014, 11:47

nickfrench82 wrote:I think the point he was trying to make, is that you might want to go to 1hr 49m in order to listen, rather than 1m 49s
Oh.. Oops.. :Oops:

Gordan Sparks interview with Martin Ling just now

by nickfrench82 » 03 Jan 2014, 11:45

I think the point he was trying to make, is that you might want to go to 1hr 49m in order to listen, rather than 1m 49s

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