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Thank You for your efforts Alan

by wodger of awabia » 02 Jan 2014, 20:57

Trojan 67 wrote:Knill kept us up by getting lucky with 2 wins against Barnet and Morecambe, especially Morecambe.
Yes, I shall never forget the "Miracle of Morecambe" & neither will Yeoman for the best goal of his career........

Barnet........ I expect the goal keeper is still trying to work out how he let that goal in,

Knill..... was a poor manager manager when he came here, & even worse when we sacked him IMO.

Thank You for your efforts Alan

by wodger of awabia » 02 Jan 2014, 20:44

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hector wrote:I think David Thomas is pretty much alluding to the notion - that even last season - Knill didn't really fulfil his remit. He had a couple of wins running, a bit like he did a couple of weeks ago.

It is nothing to do with hating the bloke, just that I never bought the notion that he kept us up. Our form was pretty patchy under him - we didn't suddenly zoom up the table, in fact we got nearer to the drop. His record over those final weeks was no better than the other clubs who were struggling.

He certainly did nothing that warranted him being greeted as a saviour or people pushing him for the job. It was always a disaster waiting to happen.

Thank You for your efforts Alan

by diamondgirl » 02 Jan 2014, 20:39

All the best Alan . Really sorry that it didn't work out. Just hope we can recover.

Thank You for your efforts Alan

by AustrianAndyGull » 02 Jan 2014, 20:37

Trojan 67 wrote:Knill kept us up by getting lucky with 2 wins against Barnet and Morecambe, especially Morecambe.
I think the Morecambe one was lucky. One of their defenders got sent off early and then we went 1 up due to a back pass to the keeper which he completely miskicked and it went in. We never looked like scoring again until Yeoman came on and scored a beauty with his first touch. The stats say a 2-0 win but it was poor and it was lucky but on the whole he kept us up. We beat Chesterfield, Barnet, got that draw with Daggers and Accrington too 0-0 (where we were equally as poor as at Morecambe) and also the draw with Brizzle last game so all in despite the performances by and large being a pre cursor to this season, he did well stats wise considering the pressure.

As regards Ling I also wished him well because I thought he had ability but for some reason he had a blinkered outlook on how to approach football matches which he was very reluctant to change. This hampered him and I still believe if he was amenable to change then he would still be here now. Not a bad manager at all just stubborn. I liked him in fact, seemed a decent bloke and made some great signings for us. Knill on the other hand made countless clueless and truly bizarre decisions on a regular basis, largely awful signings for which he needed loanees to cover his arse, the football was crap as were the results, he was morose as a character and I just didn't like the man at all. Can't put my finger on it but thought he was ignorant and arrogant. That's it.

Thank You for your efforts Alan

by Fonda » 02 Jan 2014, 20:31

We have some graceless supporters. I thought Ling a terrible manager by the end, but appreciated the fact he would have at least tried to do his best for the club, so wished him well on his departure (not that he'd have cared or even known, but it's the thought that counts). You can be sure that Knill tried to do his best for TUFC during his tenure. It shouldn't be too much to thank him for his efforts and wish him well.

Thank You for your efforts Alan

by Trojan 67 » 02 Jan 2014, 20:27

Knill kept us up by getting lucky with 2 wins against Barnet and Morecambe, especially Morecambe.

Thank You for your efforts Alan

by supergulls » 02 Jan 2014, 20:24

dannyrvtufc4life wrote:
If you say that Knill is at fault for our disastrous form this season (which I'd agree with) then you've got to give the same guy credit for keeping us in the football league. I said in my earlier post, it wasn't perfect but it was much better at the time compared to the Lingy fiasco.
To be fair Danny I didn't think that when lingy last took charge of our team we were in a dismal position, it was the fiasco that followed in the next month that dropped us down the table into a relegation scrap. I don't want to go over old ground as it's been done to death but if Sean would have won a few games knill wouldn't have been offered the job and lingy would have returned to his post. If you look at the league table on 28th jan we were a couple of games away from the playoffs with games in hand. But everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect yours all the same
http://www.statto.com/football/stats/en ... 2013-01-28

Thank You for your efforts Alan

by hector » 02 Jan 2014, 20:04

I think David Thomas is pretty much alluding to the notion - that even last season - Knill didn't really fulfil his remit. He had a couple of wins running, a bit like he did a couple of weeks ago.

It is nothing to do with hating the bloke, just that I never bought the notion that he kept us up. Our form was pretty patchy under him - we didn't suddenly zoom up the table, in fact we got nearer to the drop. His record over those final weeks was no better than the other clubs who were struggling.

He certainly did nothing that warranted him being greeted as a saviour or people pushing him for the job. It was always a disaster waiting to happen.

Thank You for your efforts Alan

by Colorado Gull » 02 Jan 2014, 19:55

supergulls wrote:Dan he won 3 games since 20th February 2013 our form was terrible it was more to do with other teams slipping up than Alan's brilliant managerial skills that kept us up. The alarm bells should have been ringing then but in the euphoria of staying up the board got carried away and appointed alan. In retrospect the situation should have been reviewed at the end of the season and the best candidate available should have been appointed. What went on this season was continuity from last year. 5 wins from 27 matches confirmed what you said he deserved the sack.

If you say that Knill is at fault for our disastrous form this season (which I'd agree with) then you've got to give the same guy credit for keeping us in the football league. I said in my earlier post, it wasn't perfect but it was much better at the time compared to the Lingy fiasco.

Thank You for your efforts Alan

by lucy6lucy » 02 Jan 2014, 19:46

The fact he moved his wife down here, suggests he wanted to be here for the long term and not fail as Torquay manager. It just wasn't to be. I personally felt he was decent bloke, but his body language at Accrington was alarming. I bet the guy is devastated, he is in limbo but equally he has left the club in the same predicament, so he had to go.

Thank You for your efforts Alan

by Dave_Pougher » 02 Jan 2014, 19:45

hector wrote: No I don't. Read back through the Ling's sacked thread and you will see that I said at the time, that I thought those cheering for Knill would be jeering pretty soon. I never rated him nor wanted him here. He won four games last season. His record last season wasn't particularly good and he did not have the impact that previous fire-fighters like Warnock, Lee and Atkins had when they came in. Knill always seemed a bit of a wet blanket. I think we stayed up in spite of him, not because of him.
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EXACTLY ! Our "staying up" last season was due to the start to the season we had under Ling and Barnets poor form at the end, it had nothing to do with what AK brought to the club. I wish him all the best but he brought nothing of advantage to TUFC whatsoever.

Thank You for your efforts Alan

by SuperNickyWroe » 02 Jan 2014, 19:44

hector wrote:I never subscribed to the theory that Alan Knill 'kept us up' last season. He didn't. We were nearer relegation when he finished than when he started. Plus, the only reason we stayed up was because Barnet and Aldershot did worse.

To me, it always felt like it would be a short-lived appointment as TUFC and Alan Knill just did not seem to suit. I do not wish the bloke any ill-will but I would imagine that his Football League managerial career is finished because he has been nothing short of disastrous since he left Bury to join scunthorpe.

His best bet is being a coach or someone's number two. He is - apparently - a hands-on coach but he is not very good as the number one. His interview on the radio yesterday was alarming and I am just so relieved that the club have finally seen sense and no longer listened to the small minority who thought themselves somehow superior with their self-proclaimed 'reasoning' that it would be folly to sack Knill.
do you hate knill that much? are you ling?

if it wasnt Knill that kept us up, I would be delighted for you to tell me who it was.

have you forgot that we actually beat barnet.

I credit him for keeping us up.

Thank You for your efforts Alan

by AustrianAndyGull » 02 Jan 2014, 19:40

It was like the Ling play off thing. We were mostly all bored rigid watching a lot of the games and the 1-0 nick it and hang on tactic worked well but on many occasions it was more luck than judgement. It was just one of those things and although I thought Ling overachieved and got lucky a lot I had to give him credit for what he had achieved even if I wasn't happy with the rubbish being churned out on the pitch. The problem with Ling's style is that once it stopped working he was always going to be in trouble with the fans because draws and losses playing turgid bullsh*t wasn't going to wash for long.

Thank You for your efforts Alan

by AustrianAndyGull » 02 Jan 2014, 19:37

That's fine Hector and I understand that but you have to give him thanks and some credit for keeping us up though even if you thought it was by default. It was a massive task and somehow he managed it. We can debate all day about why he did it but he did. Take your point and I do also see elements of that also but I feel it appropriate that I give him the credit for it on the whole. It was squeaky bum time it really was and the relief and the excitement I had over the summer was a great feeling, even if it only did last until the end of August.

Thank You for your efforts Alan

by hector » 02 Jan 2014, 19:32

AustrianAndyGull wrote: Come on hector fair's fair. If you blame Knill for taking us to the brink of the conference then surely you have to credit him for keeping us up last season? If he's the manager and to blame when things go wrong then he is to be credited when they go right. Ok so we didn't get the new manager lift that most clubs seem to get when a new guy comes in and that worried me yes as did the performances back end. They were still crap but Knill brought in Labadie, Knill was manager when we beat Morecambe up at their place and so we have to thank him immensely for keeping us up. That is only fair and reasonable.

It is what has happened THIS season that has led to his fully deserved criticism and dismissal.
No I don't. Read back through the Ling's sacked thread and you will see that I said at the time, that I thought those cheering for Knill would be jeering pretty soon. I never rated him nor wanted him here. He won four games last season. His record last season wasn't particularly good and he did not have the impact that previous fire-fighters like Warnock, Lee and Atkins had when they came in. Knill always seemed a bit of a wet blanket. I think we stayed up in spite of him, not because of him.

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