How healthy are the club's finances????

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Re: How healthy are the club's finances????

by Scott Brehaut » 21 May 2013, 21:53

ferrarilover wrote: Can one do the same with any company, Scott?
Yes, any UK registered company.

Re: How healthy are the club's finances????

by ferrarilover » 21 May 2013, 21:19

lucy6lucy wrote:Our finances are better than the scum by all accounts, sorry for the pun.
:clap: And here we have the real crux of this thread. This, despite all the bluster, is the only thing which matters :bow:

Matt.

Re: How healthy are the club's finances????

by lucy6lucy » 21 May 2013, 20:13

Our finances are better than the scum by all accounts, sorry for the pun.

Re: How healthy are the club's finances????

by exilegull » 21 May 2013, 18:55

TUFC are not publicly listed - you can only invest by contacting the board. Then you can ask to see the accounts and I'm sure if you wanted to invest a wedge they would let you.

Re: How healthy are the club's finances????

by ferrarilover » 21 May 2013, 18:41

Ok, understand that. What then then happens if I wish to invest, do I have to rely on these half baked accounts, or can I get more complete information?

Matt.

Can one do the same with any company, Scott?

Re: How healthy are the club's finances????

by leetufc » 21 May 2013, 16:37

Steve beat me to it. Torquay are a small company so are only required to submit abbreviated accounts which don't show all the information to the general public, so it's hard to get any information of great use.

Re: How healthy are the club's finances????

by SteveDeckchair » 21 May 2013, 16:29

They tell you nothing of interest Matt and as TUFC are a relatively small company, are worthless without the underlying information. Deja Vu! Ho hum......

Re: How healthy are the club's finances????

by Scott Brehaut » 21 May 2013, 14:21

You can spend £1 on obtaining them online from Companies House....

Re: How healthy are the club's finances????

by ferrarilover » 21 May 2013, 13:50

PlainmoorRoar wrote:You can tell its post season with a tit for tat thread such as this!!

Accounting - yawn :red:
Yes, it's such a shame that you're being forced to read it, presumably at gunpoint...

In the interests of fact checking, has anyone got access to the accounts (or whatever they're called) to see if we are in the poo or not?

Matt.

Re: How healthy are the club's finances????

by WHG » 21 May 2013, 11:49

I think what Matt really wants to know is the EBITDA. Perhaps someone knows and and explain it to him

Re: How healthy are the club's finances????

by PlainmoorRoar » 20 May 2013, 20:35

You can tell its post season with a tit for tat thread such as this!!

Accounting - yawn :red:

Re: How healthy are the club's finances????

by ferrarilover » 20 May 2013, 19:38

Well, Lee, I can do little more than wish you the best of luck in what seems to be an impossibly complicated career.

In your expert opinion, are the club up creek without paddle, or are we alright?

Matt.

Re: How healthy are the club's finances????

by leetufc » 20 May 2013, 17:58

ferrarilover wrote:Afternoon Lee,

So, do I correctly infer from your above example that we go to all this trouble, all this time and expense and complexity, in order to protect Mr Bean from himself and stop him buying companies he doesn't understand? Juice doesn't seem worth squeeze, if you ask me.
The example was just one way of explaining the concept of why we do things. There are many reasons for preparing accounts the way they are. One of them being the above example - many ordinary people buy shares and need an easy way telling how well/badly the company in which they buy/own the shares are doing.

Another reason is comparability. Accounts are all prepared using the same principals so you can easily compare two different companies. With your method you could have large distortions between companies and it would be difficult to identify any differences between the two.

Accounts should also be consistent to clearly identify how well a business is improving or how poorly it is performing. To do this you need to apply the same principals year on year. Other you get wild fluctuations that are unexplainable.

Very large companies have to prepare a statement of cash flows in their accounts, showing the movement in the year to cash (which takes out estimated figures such as depreciation) which is essentially what you would like to show. Torquay aren;t large enough theat they are required to have this disclosure.

The concept is a matching principal - you want to match relevant expenses to relevent income. An asset will generate income over a period, so you match the expense for a period. Same as if we received a sponsorship deal for three year but were paid all the money in a lump sum. The income would be split equally over the next three years accounts.

Re: How healthy are the club's finances????

by SteveDeckchair » 20 May 2013, 17:21

Oh, for what it's worth, transfer fees for players are amortized over the length of their contract and are impaired etc for injury, going to jail etc. Standard accounting treatment for intangible assets.

Re: How healthy are the club's finances????

by SteveDeckchair » 20 May 2013, 17:15

Matt. The joy of doing annual accounts means that you revisit it every year to see if your previous assumptions are still applicable.

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