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Re: Could get interesting .....

by Kit_robin » 07 May 2013, 12:09

SteveDeckchair wrote: On another note, it lookss like Simon Baker gave assurances over Martin's role, which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest......

Taken from the BBC article linked above.
Ling was sacked the day Alan Knill had kept the club in the Football League, despite vice-chairman Simon Baker saying they were set to meet him as he prepared to return to his job.
Does it look like that, though? All that article says is that Baker told Ling he would meet with him. That meeting coup have been to sack him, as was the case. I Ling took that to mean he was coming back for definite, then more fool him. It was quite obvious from the statements at the AGM over a month ago that it wasn't certain Ling would return.

Of course, what was said behind closed doors we will never know.

Re: Could get interesting .....

by SteveDeckchair » 07 May 2013, 11:59

Worse things happen all the time in the world of business. It's a big bad world and some of the posters on here show naivety with their views.

Time to get on with things and leave Martin Ling to make peace with his own situation. He's not doing himself any favours by bleating on about how nasty and horrible the Torquay Board are.

On another note, it lookss like Simon Baker gave assurances over Martin's role, which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest......

Taken from the BBC article linked above.
Ling was sacked the day Alan Knill had kept the club in the Football League, despite vice-chairman Simon Baker saying they were set to meet him as he prepared to return to his job.

Re: Could get interesting .....

by usagullmichigan » 07 May 2013, 11:58

PlainmoorRoar wrote:Haha that BBC article, are you mad Martin?

Seems your 70k payoff wasn't enough, I suppose he's got to show he's ready to manage again, lets all raise a glass to knill signing

Least Lings got some ££ for some (D) (D) (D)
Think it's about time you put your sword away.

Re: Could get interesting .....

by Fonda » 07 May 2013, 11:52

So Mr Knill wasn't scared off by the hideious treatment of the former incumbent then? That's weird. Perhaps the club didn't believe as disgracefully as some might like to believe.

Re: Could get interesting .....

by PlainmoorRoar » 07 May 2013, 11:25

Haha that BBC article, are you mad Martin?

Seems your 70k payoff wasn't enough, I suppose he's got to show he's ready to manage again, lets all raise a glass to knill signing

Least Lings got some ££ for some (D) (D) (D)

Re: Could get interesting .....

by divingbboy » 07 May 2013, 11:24

New BBC interview with Martin Ling: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22433025

Re: Could get interesting .....

by divingbboy » 07 May 2013, 10:15

Brent Pilnick, sports reporter for BBC South West, has just finished an interview with Ling. He's tweeting a few things:

@brentpilnick

#TUFC - Ling describes club as 'unprofessional' for the way he was dismissed.

@brentpilnick

#TUFC - Martin Ling tells me he will miss the fans, who 'treated me wonderfully'

@brentpilnick

#TUFC - Martin Ling says rumours he has an alcohol problem 'could not be further from the truth'

Re: Could get interesting .....

by tauntongull » 07 May 2013, 10:00

For those of you that want to watch the interview on iPlayer, here's the link below.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_9/

Start watching from 17 min, 40 sec :-D

Re: Could get interesting .....

by royalgull » 07 May 2013, 08:41

Late Kick Off really needs to be confined to the dustbin to support other great shows such as Citizen Khan, My Family and Splash. It's a truly awful watch, no structure, impossible to cover that amount of clubs in half an hour properly so the mismatch of cutting from L1, back to Champ, to Prem, L2 then back to champ again is just awful. The interview with Wayne Bridge is possibly one of the most pointless/worst things I've ever seen. Yes you played for Saints, chelsea, England tell us something we don't know mate. zzzzzzzzzzz rubbish.

Here's Martin Ling who has just been sacked, his facial expression at that was 'yeah cheers', utter car crash TV. As for the actual interview, told us nothign we didn't know, would have been nice to find out what was actually wrong with him but he towed the party line which would suggest the booze rumours could have some substance, as admitting that would probably mean he wouldn't get another chance somewhere but hey ho. Think he's gonna struggle anyway to be honest, not only because whoever takes him would be taking a risk but once you get sacked by Torquay there aren't many places to go!!

It was the right decision by the club not handled very well at all and not done the way I think it should have been done but it is what it is, wish Ling well as he did his best here and did a fairly decent job in his 2 years.

Re: Could get interesting .....

by ferrarilover » 06 May 2013, 21:50

EddUK12 wrote:matt

maybe you have witnessed a watershed moment and common sense will be a big factor in the running of the club going forward.

the world continues to change and tufc must adapt
Not quite sure what you mean, if I'm honest...

Matt.

Re: Could get interesting .....

by Gullscorer » 06 May 2013, 21:28

EddUK12 wrote:maybe you have witnessed a watershed moment and common sense will be a big factor in the running of the club going forward.
And integrity...?

Re: Could get interesting .....

by ferrarilover » 06 May 2013, 20:46

In fairness, Hector makes a decent point. We know from Twitter that Craig Stanley (not the brightest fella, but probably reliable in this instance) didn't find out that the Shots were in administration until he saw it on Sky Sports News. That's got to be considerably worse than sacking a manager by phone.

That said, I disagree with the idea that managers (at clubs like ours) get the boot for an average run of results. I'm bored with repeating just how ordinary (rather than terrible) our record was under ML this season, suffice to say that I've never seen a TUFC manager sacked in similar circumstances. At some sacking clubs (Rovers, Chelsea et al), then yeah, he'd have been out the door, but not at Torquay, that's just not what we do.

Matt.

Re: Could get interesting .....

by hector » 06 May 2013, 20:41

Gullscorer wrote: I never listen to rumour or gossip, but it should be pointed out that alcohol is often a symptom of a deeper underlying problem.

But whatever his illness was, there's no way that Martin Ling's record this past season was a sackable offence. Managers never used to get sacked simply for a run of poor form while a team is still in mid-table. And when he went sick, despite the team's poorer form compared with the previous season, we were in a very reasonable position in the table. People can complain about Ling's style of play, but artists can only paint with the colours they have available on their palettes.

The club stated that the sacking was purely for footballing reasons, which can only mean the team's style of play and/or its poor form after Ling went sick, with a presumption that he would not have been able to turn things round even if he had remained fully fit. It could also justifiably have been the risk of a possible return of LIng's illness in the future, and/or the fact that he's still based away from Devon. With all these reasons taken together, the club's decision may well turn out to be the correct one, for the Gulls and for Ling. Granted, the club was in an awkward situation with a difficult decision to make. However, the manner of his sacking and the reason given, even if the aforementioned assumption was a correct one, does leave something of a taste in the mouth.

But that's all done now. We can only wish Martin Ling all the best, as we move onwards and upwards..
I disagree with you there. I think we have seen managers sacked with better form or to wider dismay.

The club were in a no-win situation when it came to Martin Ling. If they had kept him, they would have to have retained the services of a manager whose recent record was poor (although, not causing alarm - though in retrospect it probably should have), a manager who had not really been missed by the fanbase who had moved their affections to someone else and had made it fairly clear that they did not want Martin Ling back, a manager who was succumbing to stress-related illness (which is what ML said on the TV) but is probably code for what we all have heard. The potential for relapse with all the fans against him, with the way the team was playing, perhaps made ML a liability.

So the alternative for the club is to sack him. For those moaning that it was done over the phone, well, you hear of managers who hear themselves on the radio, or by text. Should the club have let him travel four hours there and back to hear such bad news.

I suspect the Bristol Rovers game was the clincher and the club only decided that day that they wanted to go in a different direction.

Martin Ling himself queried the 'football reasons' aspect of the statement, suggesting that there couldn't be any other reason but then I guess the club needed to make that distinction, even though I suspect other considerations have been taken in hand.

I honestly expected the club and Martin Ling to come to a mutual decision and it was only the thread that started suggesting he was coming back that made me question that - so his sacking came as a surprise.

However, I do feel, as unlucky as Martin Ling may be, that the right decision has been made.

Re: Could get interesting .....

by brucie » 06 May 2013, 18:40

Wodger - I think Alan Knill will be more than happy to accept an offer of employment from our board. No doubt the board think that Knill will probably work a damn sight harder than Ling did for his money.
I just don't get people like you actually, bleating incessantly about how bad Ling was treated.
Its actually great to see our board stand up and show that they are not a soft touch and long may it continue.

Re: Could get interesting .....

by Dave » 06 May 2013, 15:33

ferrarilover wrote:Deary me, will the club ever do anything right in the eyes of the fans?

Sack him by phone (perfectly practical, saves cost on both sides and keeps the whole thing completely secret) and the Board are uncaring, unkind idiots who don't know what they're doing.

Get ML to come to us (costs both sides money, makes a bit of a t**t of Dinger, risks the info being leaked) and the Board are uncaring, unkind idiots who don't know what they're doing.

Send Thea to ML (costs the club money, makes it seem like we are doing all the running around) the Board are frittering away money for diesel and Leigh Delamere services Costa Coffee. The Board are also spineless, doing all the running around in order to sack someone. When are we going to grow some balls?

Meet Dinger halfway (costs the club a fortune, inconveniences both parties) the Board are profligate idiots who don't know what they're doing etc.

The club had a number of options, each of them with positives and negatives. They chose the cheapest, simplest option which involved least inconvenience for both parties.

No one is "suing" anyone. A geezer has been sacked, nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't matter what assurances he was given or by whom. Martin slit his own throat last night when he said he's fully recovered and has been for 5 weeks. Had we sacked him while he was ill, it may (although unlikely) have posed us a problem. What we've done is waited until he's back fit and well before giving him the boot. We haven't sacked a sick man, we've sacked a healthy man.

For me, he's a victim of circumstance and I think we'd have finished higher had he been fully fit all year. Still, he's gone and it's all rather academic now.

Matt.
:goodpost: 100% spot on Matt. as a general point there really are some daft posts on this thread, christ why are we so worried that our club have some how been put in a bad light, christ take one look at Barnet how mnay god damn managers did they sack or kick sideways over the last 5 years only to bring Martin Allen in to save them, it is part and parcel of football.

Of course Alan Knill if the terms and conditions are right will take the job and if he doesn't someone else will, we still remain one of the very few clubs where you can go 20 games as a manager with an awful set of results and be more likely to be offered help than the sack.

The moment Lingy went sick and a interim manager was brought in his postion as manager was under threat, why does anyone think Martin Ling sought an assurance from the board, he knew his time could well be up. As a result of all that has happened on and off the field Lingy's postion became untenable period, our board have got this right.

And what the hell does it matter how, he was going to get the boot, no need for any fanfare, just get it over and done with,

Edit..Oh and on the subject of players, Jarvis was only ever played up top on his own instead of Rene, Rene Howe was only played up top on his own and hated it, those two are not going to be in any rush to re-join Lingy, in fact I think we now have a better chance of holding on to Rene.

And Saah goal celebration against barnet was a very clear sign he like's working with Alan Knill, so think he would probably stay aswell.

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