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by **Trojan 67** » 25 Apr 2013, 16:06

[color=#FF0000]Scott Brehaut[/color] wrote:I never thought I would say this but, hurry back from your hols Andy, the lunatics have taken over the asylum!!

There Gloster ! One of the red devils has wrapped you back in yer jacket ! :devil:

What ? Me as well ?

:Oops:

by **Scott Brehaut** » 25 Apr 2013, 15:58

I never thought I would say this but, hurry back from your hols Andy, the lunatics have taken over the asylum!!

by **Trojan 67** » 25 Apr 2013, 15:45

Hey ! Gloster ! You twerp !

Professional footballer and professional social drinker ain't alike.

For starters, professional social drinkers have a full diary and more urgent things to do than 'oof a piece of leather around a muddy park. Remember where you read it first.

You read the verbal diary 'ere.

There was a better of way of putting that. :Oops:

by **Glostergull** » 25 Apr 2013, 15:25

Trojan 67 wrote:What stands a professional footballer out from an amateur is consistency. Whatever the discipline the professional will be consistently better at it. What I've observed at Plainmoor this season has been consistently rank amateur. Consistently conceding late goals for starters.

I keep hearing "no one complained last season when we qualified for the play-offs".

That was last season, now it's now. Why haven't the same players consistently performed to previous levels ? Some d*ck will be on here in a minute saying "they overachieved". No one and no thing overachieves.Then there's playing/working to the maximum potential. There are plenty of people who have been fired for not consistently working to their maximum potential. That's how it is in the harsh world of dog eat dog cut throat pricing. Maximum potential, consistently meet targets or the bullet . . . . . . BANG !!!

Why should things be different for management/players at Plainmoor? Of the players contracted for next season, I say lucky you. Of the rest, I'd offer Saah and Downes terms, a couple of the young lads and that's about it.

As I see it that should mean your ok down at the UNION for the rest of the summer then providing you perform and drink them dry.
Consistantly:lol:

by **RussianGull** » 25 Apr 2013, 15:16

Behind-the-Gulls wrote:Could it be Downes,Saah,Jarvis and Rice?

They'd certainly top my retained list.

by **Trojan 67** » 25 Apr 2013, 14:51

Behind-the-Gulls wrote:Could it be Downes,Saah,Jarvis and Rice?

Good call !

Downes and Saah definitely.

Jarvis ? Works hard and gives his best.

Rice ? Trains hard and gives his best.

Whatever way it's looked at, from fifteen out of contract, four offered, it does suggest a mass clearout.

by **Behind-the-Gulls** » 25 Apr 2013, 14:41

Could it be Downes,Saah,Jarvis and Rice?

by **Trojan 67** » 25 Apr 2013, 14:22

"Fifteen members of United's squad have deals which expire at the end of June. Among the players under contract for 2013-2014 are captain Lee Mansell, left-back Kevin Nicholson, goalkeeper Michael Poke, winger Billy Bodin and midfielders Damon Lathrope and Nathan Craig.

Leading scorer Rene Howe has had a new deal on the table since Christmas, and United recently sounded out another four senior players, unnamed at the time, about extending their stays at Plainmoor."

Some juicy speculation* to get the dentures into. Is "Jekyll" definitely off? Is he waiting on which League we'll be in? Who are the four unnamed senior players offered new terms?

*almost said facts

:whip:

by **Trojan 67** » 25 Apr 2013, 12:21

This season's catalogue of failures isn't just down to the players. There'll be every excuse under the sky put forward including the weather, the pitch, lack of a proper training ground etc. etc. bleedin etc.

Who's been overseeing what's been happening with regard to training? If what I've been hearing is true (almost said fact

:whip: ) then dismissals need to occur. I know what the turgid tactics have been like, and worse, so has every opposition.

What training regimes are in place? How many hours/days are given to these regimes? What monitoring is in place? Many more questions need to be asked.

Many of the players currently with us, are at this level because they don't have the consistency to be higher? Some, many, whatever, will be at a lower level next season because they've been unable to keep consistent levels of performance at this level. When they've gone part-time, they'll have even more time away from the training ground to tw@tter on about their shiny new Rolex, shiny new girlfriend, shiny new Mercedes, etc.

by **PhilGull** » 25 Apr 2013, 11:43

There aren't many professional sportsmen that consistently perform at the very best of their ability.
I'm not going to say we overachieved last season because I agree with you, that's not possible. What I will say is Olejnik and O'Kane were better than this year's replacements. And the rest of the squad did perform near the top of their ability for most of the season.
Much like when West Ham were in the Premier League a few years back, the whole team performed at their very best, they finished mid-table and were unlucky to lose to Liverpool in I think the FA Cup semi-final. They performed so well that even Marlon Harewood was scoring goals! But the next season they rested on their laurels, they thought that was there natural level, as it turned out the players weren't able to maintain the same high level and they got relegated.
Consistency is one of the reasons these players are here with us, if they had better consistency they would be playing for bigger clubs at a higher level.

by **Trojan 67** » 25 Apr 2013, 11:05

What stands a professional footballer out from an amateur is consistency. Whatever the discipline the professional will be consistently better at it. What I've observed at Plainmoor this season has been consistently rank amateur. Consistently conceding late goals for starters.

I keep hearing "no one complained last season when we qualified for the play-offs".

That was last season, now it's now. Why haven't the same players consistently performed to previous levels ? Some d*ck will be on here in a minute saying "they overachieved". No one and no thing overachieves.Then there's playing/working to the maximum potential. There are plenty of people who have been fired for not consistently working to their maximum potential. That's how it is in the harsh world of dog eat dog cut throat pricing. Maximum potential, consistently meet targets or the bullet . . . . . . BANG !!!

Why should things be different for management/players at Plainmoor? Of the players contracted for next season, I say lucky you. Of the rest, I'd offer Saah and Downes terms, a couple of the young lads and that's about it.

by **PhilGull** » 25 Apr 2013, 10:18

Gullscorer wrote:An 'overhaul' will not be required.

Most of our players are actually quite good at League Two level and the team's lack of success in recent months is not solely a reflection of individual players' abilities or loss of form. It has also been caused by a number of other factors which have been discussed at length on this forum throughout the season.

Put the wind back into their sails, in terms of motivation, ambition, self-belief, team spirit, fitness, formation, tactics, and (please, God) a manager who is back to his old (Oriental) self, and the Gulls should have an excellent season ahead with only a few changes in personnel.

Any major changes, given the state of the club's finances, would be too risky. I'm sure that those in charge of the club, having built firm foundations, know that steady and gradual progress is the sensible way forward, rather than big upheavals. Always providing that they don't deliberate for too long before making whatever decisions may be needed! Procrastination is not a desirable quality in football, any more than undue haste..

Agreed.
Halpin (is he still on the books?), Easton and Stevens. Can be let go but the rest I would be happy to see stay on for another season. They have all shown this season that they are good enough for L2 (although some of the younger lads still have a way to go to prove good enough for a regular starting berth). As you said Gullscorer, our league position this season is more about mental fitness and tactics than their ability.

by **Dave** » 24 Apr 2013, 20:24

16 players out of contract I beieve, what happened to Nicks summer overveiw thread it was all on there, soon time to bring it back, or do a new one.

by **Scott Brehaut** » 24 Apr 2013, 20:16

Gullscorer wrote: How many will be out of contract?

According to this site: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/torqu ... _1218.html the players under contract for next season are:

Poke, Nico, Lathrope, Craig, Mansell and Bodin

by **Gullscorer** » 24 Apr 2013, 20:05

Scott Brehaut wrote:An overhaul will happen regardless - a lot of players are out of contract and there are no guarantees that any of them will re sign

How many will be out of contract? And will that be sufficient to constitute an overhaul?

In other words, is the machine repairable, are there sufficient cheap spare parts, or is it so far gone that a complete replacement (looking in the small ads of course) will be required?

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