SuperNickyWroe wrote:yeah well done billy - who cares what austrianandy thinks????!!!
As a matter of fact Super, i gave Billy a lot of credit for recent performances in yesterdays matchday thread so :na: .
I'm not going to comment on the games i haven't seen him in this season but every time i HAVE seen him he has been extremely poor ( as have most of the team ) but all accounts suggest that he is slowly turning a corner and has contributed greatly to our displays in recent weeks. This is all i ask as a bare minimum and although his goals return is laughable, i can see mitigating factors for this including the fact we hardly ever attack so chances are at a premium ( although he does waste a hell of a lot of the chances we create ) and his confidence is low. I believe that should he score then there will be more to follow, all he needs is to see a strike hit the onion bag.
I'm very pleased that Billy is finding some form and that can only be good for us and i hope he has a good run out for Wales whilst he is away on international duty and i also say well done Billy.
Also on the subject of the expectation surrounding his transfer fee. We're in league 2 and we've signed a player for £70 grand, it hardly means he is a total genius footballer does it? To me it's insignificant and it doesn't necessarily make him a better player than someone we got in on a free. Anyone who has raised expectations of a player who cost as little as £70 grand ( although a lot of money for a club like ours ) should be carted off in a white van and dumped in Windermere with no clothes on. It's madness. I expected nothing from Billy but a few goals, a willingness and ability to get at defenders and create opportunities now and again and also have 100% workrate.
I'm not saying i want the goals and skills to be prevalent every week, it's unrealistic, he's a league 2 footballer and will be inconsistent but it was his workrate, at least early season that got my back up. He'd lose the ball and give up and not only that, he would become a virtual passenger in the games and we'd end up looking like we had 10 men. At the very least if you're having a bad game you should make the effort and i accept that of NO Torquay player. His workrate has improved immeasurably and if he can keep that up then he just needs to have more confidence to try things and he also needs that goal. Better things SHOULD follow but obviously i'm not expecting him to be like Lionel Messi. I expected better than we got but if he can work on things during the summer then it could be like having a new signing next season.
For all the stick i have given him on this forum it is in no way anything to do with Billy as a person, it is down to what i reasonably expect from a league 2 footballer regardless of any price tag or raised expectation and those expectations have nowhere near been met. I think most of us would agree if we are honest with ourselves but like i said earlier, the same could be said of most of our squad this season so to single Billy out would be unfair. I'll never boo or hurl abuse at a player at a game as it's counter productive and helps nobody. If i'm honest i have thought this abuse and critcism in my head at games desperate to blurt them out but in a sense, that is what this forum is for. Letting off the steam, having a a bit of a rant and saying sorry afterwards if something you have posted is a little harsh. None of them are immune from criticism however and they'll get criticised when they do something ( consistently ) wrong and praised when they do something right. Consistently is the key word as awful play from a player for weeks on end has no excuse. A defensive error in a game or a missed penalty and it's one of those things and we can shrug it off but crapness every week isn't acceptable. Likewise the Billy situation, we can give praise for a player doing something good in a game or scoring a great goal or working really hard for the team but in isolation it doesn't mean that player has now proven people wrong and is now a good player unless he does it on a relatively consistent basis.
I feel that is why i get criticised for being a bit down on Billy as he might have done something in a game, like win a penalty like in the Exeter game for example but not do too much else and someone will come on here and say well done Billy. I'll come on and say that all he did was win a penalty and that although it was a good piece of play it still doesn't mean i think he's much good. Then the abuse comes my way. If he were to have 2 or 3 excellent games then a couple of sh*t games then that's pretty much par for the course at this level and fine but up until the turn of the year at least he has been truly awful.
Anyway, i hope i've explained myself re: Billy
[quote="SuperNickyWroe"]yeah well done billy - who cares what austrianandy thinks????!!![/quote]
As a matter of fact Super, i gave Billy a lot of credit for recent performances in yesterdays matchday thread so :na: .
:lol:
I'm not going to comment on the games i haven't seen him in this season but every time i HAVE seen him he has been extremely poor ( as have most of the team ) but all accounts suggest that he is slowly turning a corner and has contributed greatly to our displays in recent weeks. This is all i ask as a bare minimum and although his goals return is laughable, i can see mitigating factors for this including the fact we hardly ever attack so chances are at a premium ( although he does waste a hell of a lot of the chances we create ) and his confidence is low. I believe that should he score then there will be more to follow, all he needs is to see a strike hit the onion bag.
I'm very pleased that Billy is finding some form and that can only be good for us and i hope he has a good run out for Wales whilst he is away on international duty and i also say well done Billy.
Also on the subject of the expectation surrounding his transfer fee. We're in league 2 and we've signed a player for £70 grand, it hardly means he is a total genius footballer does it? To me it's insignificant and it doesn't necessarily make him a better player than someone we got in on a free. Anyone who has raised expectations of a player who cost as little as £70 grand ( although a lot of money for a club like ours ) should be carted off in a white van and dumped in Windermere with no clothes on. It's madness. I expected nothing from Billy but a few goals, a willingness and ability to get at defenders and create opportunities now and again and also have 100% workrate.
I'm not saying i want the goals and skills to be prevalent every week, it's unrealistic, he's a league 2 footballer and will be inconsistent but it was his workrate, at least early season that got my back up. He'd lose the ball and give up and not only that, he would become a virtual passenger in the games and we'd end up looking like we had 10 men. At the very least if you're having a bad game you should make the effort and i accept that of NO Torquay player. His workrate has improved immeasurably and if he can keep that up then he just needs to have more confidence to try things and he also needs that goal. Better things SHOULD follow but obviously i'm not expecting him to be like Lionel Messi. I expected better than we got but if he can work on things during the summer then it could be like having a new signing next season.
For all the stick i have given him on this forum it is in no way anything to do with Billy as a person, it is down to what i reasonably expect from a league 2 footballer regardless of any price tag or raised expectation and those expectations have nowhere near been met. I think most of us would agree if we are honest with ourselves but like i said earlier, the same could be said of most of our squad this season so to single Billy out would be unfair. I'll never boo or hurl abuse at a player at a game as it's counter productive and helps nobody. If i'm honest i have thought this abuse and critcism in my head at games desperate to blurt them out but in a sense, that is what this forum is for. Letting off the steam, having a a bit of a rant and saying sorry afterwards if something you have posted is a little harsh. None of them are immune from criticism however and they'll get criticised when they do something ( consistently ) wrong and praised when they do something right. Consistently is the key word as awful play from a player for weeks on end has no excuse. A defensive error in a game or a missed penalty and it's one of those things and we can shrug it off but crapness every week isn't acceptable. Likewise the Billy situation, we can give praise for a player doing something good in a game or scoring a great goal or working really hard for the team but in isolation it doesn't mean that player has now proven people wrong and is now a good player unless he does it on a relatively consistent basis.
I feel that is why i get criticised for being a bit down on Billy as he might have done something in a game, like win a penalty like in the Exeter game for example but not do too much else and someone will come on here and say well done Billy. I'll come on and say that all he did was win a penalty and that although it was a good piece of play it still doesn't mean i think he's much good. Then the abuse comes my way. If he were to have 2 or 3 excellent games then a couple of sh*t games then that's pretty much par for the course at this level and fine but up until the turn of the year at least he has been truly awful.
Anyway, i hope i've explained myself re: Billy :)
