alan knill

[tomogull]

There's only one Juan Knill.

Thank God for that. We wouldn't want more than one. I tell you what, Cobbler10 - the BIG disappointment for many Gulls fans today is that it's Bristol Rovers coming down with us and not your lot. Ravenshill is the dirtiest player in the league - an absolute thug.

[Dave]

Congratulations on staying in the league Cobbler10.

[Scott Brehaut]

There's only one Juan Knill.

Thank **** for that

[tomogull]

Congratulations on staying in the league Cobbler10.

Forever is saying that through gritted teeth - I can tell ! Congratulations on off loading Ben Harding to us. What a joy he has been to watch this season ......

[Rjc70]

Unfortunately what we didn't have was a fully fit Ling...

Depends when we're talking about. We now repent at our leisure.

[Dave]

Maybe so Tommo, but there are ways and means of dealing with a w-u-m, giving them the reaction they're looking for isn't one of those ways.

[tomogull]

Maybe so Tommo, but there are ways and means of dealing with a w-u-m, giving them the reaction they're looking for isn't one of those ways.

Ha - yes, you're quite right Forever. I took the bait, didn't I ?? My excuse is that like virtually all of us on here tonight, I'm feeling pretty raw - not so much at being relegated (we accepted that weeks ago), but finishing the season with such an inept display.

[Dave]

Indeed Tommo, being at the game today, felt like being on the wrong end of a prolonged beating, and just when you thought it was over, getting one last massive kick in the teeth. Can only hope for brighter times ahead.

[stefano]

It is pure revisionist crap that Stefano and one or two others are trying to peddle re: Knill. They use the rather pointless assertion that we were just 'one point' from safety' when he left. Well, after today we may be not much worse off than that anyway but what Stefano and his cohorts seem to forget, or conveniently overlook, is that there is absolutely not one single shred of evidence that suggests Knill would have kept us up. As seasons go on, gaps between the top and bottom widen. On Knill's points per game ratio, the gap would be wider had he stayed, than it is now.

They point to his last 5 games (mainly because the overall record was so damning) even though the last three went without a win (two of which were abject Devon derby defeats) and claim he amassed the massive total of 7 points out of 15, as some sort of achivement. Even that points rate would not have been good enough.

His overall record was not good enough and continued over the season would have seen us relegated.

His record over his last 'mythical' 5 games was not good enough and continued over the season would have seen us relegated.

Compare Hargreaves last 5 games and it is a completely different story to Knill's last 5 games and yet we have still been relegated with a win percentage that wipes the floor with Knill.

So just what is it about Knill's inability to win, his appalling points per game record, his awful football, his dreadful signings, his uninspiring presence, his inability to control the dressing room, his record as a manager getting the sack at 3 of the four clubs he has managed, his tactical ineptness, his inability to change a game? Other than all that I guess, as Stefano seems to think, he must be a football genius.

There are those that think that Knill should have been kept on and given the money to keep us up.

Has anyone with half a brain, seriously thought that bit through?

What did he do with the money he was given? Put the likes of Benyon, Hawley, Harding and Tonge on lengthy contracts.

If the club had given money to Knill it would have been throwing good after bad and would not have changed anything. Knill is the reason we are relegated.

Well well well. Another blunderbus of unadulterated bullshit and misinformation emanating from Hector's House!

"Stefano and his cohorts". Who exactly? I am not aware of any of them. You are surely not so paranoid that you believe anybody who does not agree with Hector's thoughts must be a friend of mine?

"His (Knill) record over the last 5 mythical games was not good enough and continued over the season would have seen us relegated". Completely wrong. Well there's a surprise! First of all they were not mythical games. We actually did play them and we actually did get 7 points. Secondly if we had continued with that form we would still be a Football League club. At that point there were 23 games to go and we had 22 points. A continuation of that form would see us finish with 52 points. Result? safety and Football League status retained.

"There is not a single shred of evidence that Knill would have kept us up". Well that one is a surprise as for once you are absolutely right. Equally there is not a single shred of evidence that had he stayed we would have been relegated.

I know you have a general allergy to evidence and facts Hector but here are a couple of facts of which there is irrefutable proof:-

1. The only time Mr Knill was involved as manager of Torquay United in an end of season relegation battle we stayed up;

2. Without Mr Knill for the second half of this season we will go down.

If you doubt either of those facts Hector just take a look at the league tables for last season and this.

I am sure you mean well Hector but you really must stop believing that all those unco-ordinated thoughts swirling around in your head are facts. They are not and your methodology of repeating and repeating them will never ever make them facts.

[exiledgull]

Knill left us one point of relegation

When Knill left we heavily backed CH, so improvements occurred (as would expect)

Knill last 5 games were 2wins 1draw 2losses. The loses coincided with Marquis being recalled for a short time.

Marquis and labadie were bth penned in to come back and Marquis obviously would rather play with Knill than CH. Who's goals at important times kept them up.

This is were we lost it. AK was bringing in a striker that could save us. Sacking him meant he was not to come and then we could never replace even though CH tried and failed.

AK had a part to play but if we had appointed a better manager we would have been safe. The 3-0 loss yesterday was nothing to do with AK it was a total embarrassment.

[SuperNickyWroe]

Knill left us one point of relegation

When Knill left we heavily backed CH, so improvements occurred (as would expect)

Knill last 5 games were 2wins 1draw 2losses. The loses coincided with Marquis being recalled for a short time.

Marquis and labadie were bth penned in to come back and Marquis obviously would rather play with Knill than CH. Who's goals at important times kept them up.

This is were we lost it. AK was bringing in a striker that could save us. Sacking him meant he was not to come and then we could never replace even though CH tried and failed.

AK had a part to play but if we had appointed a better manager we would have been safe. The 3-0 loss yesterday was nothing to do with AK it was a total embarrassment.

ah, someone else has noticed....... :}