The European Union: We're out...!!!

[Gullscorer]

What happened to 'straight down the middle'..??

[Trojan 67]

The Four Horsemen :

Then there's the "inside job" : The Trojan 'rse

[Gullscorer]

Have you noticed, the Remainiacs in the media and in politics have still not accepted the democratic decision of the people in the referendum and are continuing to do all they can to prevent it being put into effect. There are demonstrations by Remainers, students and left-wingers, accusing the older generation of 'betraying' young people and ruining their futures. These are demonstrations against democracy. And they refer to the democratic majority as 'right-wing populists' who have 'divided the country', and they accuse Leave campaigners of 'not keeping their promises'. (http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/davi ... exit-vote/)

What utter nonsense. Everybody knows there were no promises and the referendum was not about promises. Both sides in the referendum gave reasons why the EU would be better off in or out of the EU. But the only body of people who are able to keep 'promises' is the government, and even there it was not a promise, but a commitment to carry out the democratic decision of the people to leave the EU. This involves negotiating new trade deals (if possible), regaining our sovereignty and independence, our ability to make our own laws and govern our own country, and to control our own borders and immigration levels. This is no more and no less than what every other country in the world does, except for EU countries.

The Remainiacs continue to claim that any new trade deal with the EU will mean that we shall be forced to accept free movement of labour and people. This too is complete nonsense. No other trading block in the world requires free movement of peoples. The British people and Government cannot and must not give way on this issue. The reasons have been clearly explained in previous posts. If this means that there will be no EU trade deals, then so be it. All parties must then abide by WTO rules. And when that happens, we will still be far better off outside the EU, saving billions every year in EU contributions we no longer have to make, and having cheaper imports from the rest of the world, not to mention all the new trading opportunities which will open up for the UK. http://www.ukip.org/freedom_of_movement ... gle_market

On such an important issue, if the Government and the Remainers thwart the democratic will of the people of the UK, divisions will deepen; the people, the 'silent' majority, will rise up and protest, and I should not be surprised to see peaceful 'Leave' demonstrations attacked by violent Remainiac student left-wing mobs, for whom democracy is not the majority decision but the 'correct' decision.

[Trojan 67]

[Gullscorer]

A national hero, one of the towering political figures of our age:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... esignation
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... er-whittle

[Plainmoor78]

A national hero, one of the towering political figures of our age:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... esignation
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... er-whittle

Typical, like a cowardly little child who breaks a window and runs away rather than face up to his responsibility, he makes sure he will not be around to answer for the disaster he has lead this country into.

[Gullscorer]

I see some Remainiacs remain deluded and unwilling to face up to the fact that Brexit will be the best thing that ever happened to this country. They still believe the majority democratic referendum vote should be ignored because it was 'wrong' and not legally binding. But they ignore the fact that it gave the Government the moral authority and permission to go ahead with the Brexit process should it decide to do so.

And the Government will ignore the democratic wishes of the people at its peril, as will those Remainers who try to thwart the will of the people with manipulation of business and money markets.

The only disaster on the horizon is the EU, with its failed economy, failed currency, and self-imposed demographic chaos. On the three core issues of economy, sovereignty/democracy, and control of immigration, the arguments and evidence in favour of Brexit are overwhelming.

We shall soon be free and independent and part of the big wide world again, and the long-term prospects for our country are bright indeed. It's sad that there are still those who will not open their eyes and will keep their minds firmly closed.

Nigel Farage will eventually be recognised as one of the great and outstanding figures in British political history, and there will be no doubt that the national honours bestowed upon him will be richly deserved.

[Gullscorer]

Sign the petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/133618

[Dave]

Nigel Farage has been the victim of numerous death threats , even in receipt of a threat to rape his daughter, which one would that be, the 15 year old, or the 8 year old, he also has a wife, some really brave people out there, and Farage is the coward, only so much any man can take, and all he's ever done is stood up in public for what he believed in.

Last general election over 4 million people agreed with him, 17.5 million at the referendum, so he's hardly alone. I will never be ashamed to admit, I'd back Farage any day of the week.

Lets look at the anti-capitalist, anti-establishment, anti-globalisation, anti-austerity groups that are protesting in favour of the UK, remaining in the, pro-capitalist, pro-establishment, pro-globalisation, pro-austerity EU.

Yes if some of these people had a brain cell between them they'd be dangerous, and they say leave voters were low information thicko's.

Now Hungary has called a referendum on EU migrant quotas, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... gee-quotas

Ok this is not an "in" "out" referendum, but it's an almost virtual certainty that the Hungarian people will vote to reject EU migrant quotas, which in turn will put the Hungarian government in direct conflict with EU law which is supreme over any nation states law.

So Hungary will have only two options left, either accept the quotas, or go back to their people and ask them the same full and final "in" "out" question we were asked in the UK.

And before anyone says, that will be difference between our two countries, the UK was asked that full and final question in our first referendum, as far as our membership of the EU is concerned there's no other questioned can be asked, so no second referendum required.

[KeithMalone]

And before anyone says, that will be difference between our two countries, the UK was asked that full and final question in our first referendum, as far as our membership of the EU is concerned there's no other questioned can be asked, so no second referendum required.

Didn't Farage say a second referendum was required if it was 52-48%
http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/remember- ... m-5963900/

I'm sure he was just misquoted

[Dave]

Not according to that article, or on the BBC he didn't, he said it would be unfinished business, and I quote " "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it." No where does he actually say there will need to be a re-run, he is right , it was close victory, and it is unfinished business, as remain and their super rich friends just will not accept a democratic decision of the people, and let this drop, the focus should be on what happens now, not what legal loophole we can find.

Both Cameron and Farage actually said right through the campaign this referendum is a once in a life time chance, a number of times, so I think he would have continued to campaign to get the country out, but would not have asked for an immediate re-run, as Farage rightly said, this isn't the best out 3 wins.

[Gullscorer]

Absolutely right, Forever. It wouldn't be the first time Farage was misquoted, nor the last. And his 'controversial' speeches at the EU Parliament are widely shown, but the abuse he gets there from political opponents? Never.

Farage didn't call for a second referendum. He was making an observation regarding the probable reaction to the referendum result, saying there could be unstoppable demand for a re-run of the EU referendum if Remain wins by a narrow margin.

He said there would be resentment, particularly in the Conservative Party, with claims the referendum will not have been a fair contest. He said: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”

This prompted Prime Minister David Cameron to say it was a 'once in a generation, once in a lifetime' decision, and the UK had 'referendums not neverendums'. And as you have said, Farage's own view was that 'this isn't the best of three'.

In the event, the vote went the other way, 52% - 48% in favour of 'Leave'. But if 'Remain' had won, the 'Leave' campaign would certainly have had far stronger grounds for claiming an unfair contest.

[Plainmoor78]

In the event, the vote went the other way, 52% - 48% in favour of 'Leave'. But if 'Remain' had won, the 'Leave' campaign would certainly have had far stronger grounds for claiming an unfair contest.

Why? Leave lied about the NHS amongst many things. Remain said there would be consequences for the economy and that is now beginning to happen. The result was close, just as you would be whinging if it went the other do not be surprised that others feel let down by the outcome. But have you considered this? If things get so bad and there is a call to rejoin the EU in a few years time when many leave voters will have shuffled off the mortal coil and the young who feel betrayed by the vote decide to vote to rejoin so their children will have the opportunities denied them, then Britain will have to rejoin without all the opt outs we currently enjoy. That means accepting the euro and closer political union. Hope you are alive to see it.

[Scott Brehaut]

What opportunities are they going to be denied??

The ability to be able to live and work in the EU? You don't need to be IN the EU to do that - we (Guernsey) aren't, and we are able to live and work there if we so wish.

Own property? See above

Travel? See above

There are plenty of countries around the world that are not part of the EU who do not suffer as a result. Their citizens are still able to travel into, and out of Europe, still able to work in Europe if they so wish, and yet they are also able to go back to their own country, where they live under laws agreed by their own government and not laws forced upon them by a non-democratic union that insist you do this, that and the other or you will be punished.

Once things have settled down (and let's not forget that Article 50 has not been invoked as yet), everybody will be wondering what all the fuss was about.

The future IS bright, you just can't see it yet!!

[S4fedr1ve]

Im with Plainmoor 78 100%. The future is not bright i predict this country will be in a poor state of health within 2 years. Businesses will close, prices will rise, our economy in decline again, and with less europeans coming to work in this country whos going to do the jobs that they do but we English wont. that is my prediction on the outcome of this vote. As plainmoor says there will be a consensus to rejoin at some point in the future. What a mess.

I note more appalling graffiti regarding eu citizens on a wall in Torquay.

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